Swift Petrol or Diesel?

[SkiN46]

he said budget is not an issue so don't you'll think that a turbo petrol swift will be better than a pete'd swift D

[BUSA]

I have been noticing your posts since quite a long time and you seem to be anti diesel and pro petrol

Anyways to take away the misconceptions you have, i would like to put a few points.

One friend's Diesel Swift got tossed up and down and did 3-4 somer saults during an accident due to the insane diesel power and was completely damaged beyond good looking repairs.

What tires was he running, what speeds was he doing? Did his car have ABS? The torque of the Swift is nothing compared to the torque what the Verna engine offers, drive a Verna and you will notice there is no internal combustion, but a nuclear explosion happening inside the hood.

Besides in Cities, a sudden burst of torque can damage the bumpers due to collisions with other cars / autos and motor cycles because in city there is a complete bumper to bumper traffic.

When cars like Accords, BMWs, Mercs are driven in the City its fine, right? You have to adjust according to the car.

In fact it is easier to have an accident in a pulsar 200 than in a platina or discoverer 135. Safety is also important.

While i agree safety is important, i totally disagree about the former part. A Pulsar 200 will have far better tires, suspension, chassis then the Platina or Discover, making the 200 a more controlled and stable ride.

Diesel ban by Supreme court is also yet to be seen.

Petrols cost was supposed to be reduced to Rs. 37 by evading all state taxes, we are still seeing whats happening to the cost.

Petrol to Diesel comparisions - Diesel makes sense only for above 1700 or 2000 km per month. Return period being at least 3 - 3.5 yrs for this usage. By that time the odo should be 55,000 km or so. What's the resale value at that time only God knows.

Quoting Thad's post from another thread. A very well said post.

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

I will never recover the cost of my solar water heater in reduced electricity (though I would use a lot less hot water if it was heated electrically).

I doubt that I'll recover the cost of my Zero-B water purifier in not buying canned water.

I don't, according to the theory, do nearly enough driving to financially support the decision to buy a diesel.

It's not all about balancing the books.

I had, when we renovated this house, some money to spend on toys, and did so. I wanted the diesel experience, and never really considered the petrol Swift.

Its about experience, choice, pride of ownership, pleasure.

Factor in all points and then decide.

You cant use a calulator like a shopkeeper and decide which turns out cheaper now can you, it that is the case, the only cars on the road will be the most FE car.

Petrols can be converted to CNG and LPG easier and Esteem Engine is a time tested engine. Not to say that the Fiat Multijet is bad but something time tested is always better.

What about the warranty, resale then? You know how much LPG costs as of today? What about boot space? Is a car only about being cheap to run and cheap to buy, you have to factor in much more. Why buy a hatch with no boot, atleast you can use the small boot, where will the sub go? Esteem engine may be time tested, but its high time for that engine to be shut production, its highly old and the engine characteristics show, poor low end torque, noisy.

Petrol - 11 - 12.5

While the diesel gives around 16-17 in City with ease, the Petrol Swift gives 10 at best, have been driving the petrol Swift on 165mm tires with speeds less then 100 and less then 3k and i can vouch for that.

[theMAG]

Originally Posted by BUSA

.., the Petrol Swift gives 10 at best, ..

No BUSA, not all petrol Swifts. The one associated with me gives a worst of 13.3 kmpl and a best of 15.6 kmpl in Bangalore city traffic depending on the route taken to office. That makes it an average of 14.45 kmpl with 85% AC. I also drive around with upsized 15" wheels.

But, I fear, I've digressed from the main topic being discussed here.

[BUSA]

theMag, that means in your hands a diesel will give not less then 20

Also you have a FFE, and aftermarket filter, right. I was speaking of stock in Bombay traffic(City) with no mods at all on stock 165s. The car i have currently is the test drive car and its giving 10.5-11 at best. Maybe its not serviced and the condition of the car isint good either.

[rohan_fonseca]

Originally Posted by BUSA

Esteem engine may be time tested, but its high time for that engine to be shut production, its highly old and the engine characteristics show, poor low end torque, noisy.

I wonder if we will ever receive the m-series!

[v1p3r]

Originally Posted by s0uljah

Swift Petrol with a G16 engine, Upgrade everything (Tranny, Brakes, Suspension, Gearbox, TC/SC, Intercooler etc).

I'd stick with the 1300 block. More options, and you, of all people, have seen what it is capable of.

Originally Posted by rohan_fonseca

I wonder if we will ever receive the m-series!

We already have. It's called the SX4.

[rohan_fonseca]

Originally Posted by v1p3r

We already have. It's called the SX4.

In the Swift i meant.

[rider60]

ok as suggested by the people above, most of them are for diesel swift than petrol and both cars have their pros and cons!

let me add a pro to the diesel, its just one chip that needs to be installed takes 10 minutes, and an air filter, and may be a free flow if need be!

but for a petrol swift the stage 1 and 2 mods like porting polishing, and may be a turbo might be needed!.

i suggest you think twice before modding a petrol and please do read the article written by mclaren1885 this might tell you just what you need to know and the way to live with a modded ride!, i mean not the far simple pete's kit mod but the mods required by the petrol car!

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/shifti...dded-ride.html (What it takes to own a modded ride ??)

thats the link kindly have the patience to go through it and only then decide if you still want to mod the swift petrol!

[ubsmart]

Friends,

I am in a big dilemma and postponing my decision to buy the car from last 10 days. I decided to buy a swift vxi by downpaying the entire amount.But, I was advised by couple of friends to go for Diesel as it is a more VFM than petrol.

My current typical use is around 20-25KM per day. Also, If I need to upgrade to Diesel, I need to shell out another 50-70K nearly which is kind of OK, but, I need to opt for a loan. I am planning to keep this car for atleast 4 years.

The other issue that is adding to my dilemma is that I am told about the huge waiting time for a delivery of Diesel vehicle. I spoke to atleast 3 dealers and all are quoting a time of 4 months and above. whereas for petrol it is 15-20 days. Since I am paying everything from hand, I feel that I need to get the delivery as soon as possible.

I am supposed to book a VXi today. But, not able to make a decision as this is going to be a big buy for me and dont want to make a decision in haste.
PLease help me. Should I book a Diesel and wait or should I got with Petrol. By the way I am only looking at either VXi or VDi.

Note :

I have seen couple of threads with the similar question. But mine is a bit different. Hence posting it as a new thread. Mods- please merge it with other thread if this is a duplicate.

[Rudra Sen]

Originally Posted by ubsmart

I am supposed to book a VXi today. But, not able to make a decision as this is going to be a big buy for me and dont want to make a decision in haste.
PLease help me. Should I book a Diesel and wait or should I got with Petrol. By the way I am only looking at either VXi or VDi.

There's no big difference between today and tomorrow. You can ask more questions and get a clear picture here.

Thread merged.

[pingping]

@ubsmart: Petrol........

Diesel isn't a good option considering your situation and driving distance every day. But Diesel Swift is definitely VFM compared to its petrol counterpart No doubt. Since you have to go in for loan for the extra amount you have to pay for diesel and the issue regarding waiting period, I would suggest you to forget diesel, pay the money get the car and enjoy. This way you can avoid loan procedures / EMI too. Do update us on your decision and all the best for your buy.

[rajatkumar]

Originally Posted by ubsmart

My current typical use is around 20-25KM per day. Also, If I need to upgrade to Diesel, I need to shell out another 50-70K nearly which is kind of OK, but, I need to opt for a loan. I am planning to keep this car for atleast 4 years.

Boss,

If u search thruough more threads, we have somebody saying that it takes almost 4 yrs to "recover" the extra money you shell out for diesel version.

Your travelling is a mere 25Kms per day, and this will not justify the extra money u put in for diesel. Had it been around 50Kms, then Diesel was must.

Check out

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...8-lakh-13.html (Maruti Swift diesel @ Rs 4.68 lakh)


Also, since you have already paid for VXI, go ahead!

i faced the same dilemma, and booked my VXI and am expecting its delivery by April!

[ubsmart]

Rajatkumar, Is there are waiting period for petrol too? You mentioned that you are getting a petrol by April!!??

[Jaggu]

Yours is a borderline case, with 25 kms and no finance required for a Vxi. I suggest Vxi, why pay interest and premium is the logic.

[rajatkumar]

Originally Posted by ubsmart

Rajatkumar, Is there are waiting period for petrol too? You mentioned that you are getting a petrol by April!!??

Varun Motors, who are dealing with my order have said 20 Days....

But be smart... there is almost 1 in every 15 orders which *do not* get loans approved. That means.... they have atleast 1 vehicle which gets stored in their stock. I asked the Varun Motors guy to inform me of ALL such orders.

So basically, I told him my color choices are Black/White/Red Swift VXi... and so he just got all such orders ka list and today he said he has White Swift VXi in invenyory and he can give me that on Monday!!!

I guess, when u have complete cash/money in hand u can boss around with the dealers!

What do u say?