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Old 12th June 2009, 14:19   #31
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Thanks guys for your suggestions. Well yeah I don't drive like a crazy but need a car that can carry passengers on all its seats, happily without dramas. I have seem people strictly condemning i20 and that was my main reason of concerns. Even if this car is heavy on juice, I am least concerned about it. As far it keeps me happy, I'll keep feeding it....


@ Dante: Yeah Vista does sounds like a cursed word. where ever it goes, bad luck follows it. Microsoft tried to sell Vista to my company but we actively refused it and said we are much happier with XP....

"Microsoft tried to sell Vista to my company but we actively refused it and said we are much happier with XP"?
Do you own a software company? Microsoft coming to you kinda astounded me.
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Old 13th June 2009, 16:39   #32
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@parm: Thanks that was some real good info.

@tsixty: Thanks

@Dante: Sorry for creating some confusion, I don't own any company mate.My statement was about the company I work for . It has more than sixty branches all across Australia and New Zealand (every branch has appx 150-200 computers). So once in every three years we replace all computers. Microsoft wanted us to buy Vista but we preferred to stick with XP as its our SOE. Hope this'll help
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Old 14th June 2009, 14:05   #33
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Yeah it sure did! Actually i thought you owned the company. Nevermind everything's fine.
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Old 14th June 2009, 22:13   #34
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If you have decided the options, than i20 should be your choice.

As your monthly running is limited, the vibrating diesel is not worth for you.

Enjoy the petrol i20 that have excellent interiors & great space.

Also a Hyundai is know for its reliability & super *** (Unlike TATA).
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Kousik,

With a range of 600-1000 kms, its definitely advisable to go in for the i20. It fills all your said requirements. It will also save you the higher maintainence costs of a diesel motor.

Besides, Tata cars tend to keep sprouting small niggling problems (a rattle here, a non-functioning windshield washer there) after a few years. Hyundais are much more trouble free. I have one of each, so I know.
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i20 it should be(reasons had been given already). Jazz will be overpriced as like other honda products. Vista Quadra wont be good for you as your monthly kms dont demand a diesel.
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Had I been in your place, I would have picked up the i20 without an iota of doubt. Much more reliable and you get the bells and whistles too. You don't need the diesel.
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If your running is just around 1K i think you can go for the i20. Moreover the TATA might give you some niggling issues which might be disturbing if you are looking for a trouble free car. Moreover the service costs for the quadrajet might be higher than the kappa.

An alternative would be the U-Va. Its very spacious and the 3 year service warranty is an added advantage.
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your running does not require a diesel unless you are a torque addict like me

if you can afford an i20 go for it.

If you were impressed with Vista Quadrajet Aura, i am sure you would love the Vista Safire Aura. its petrol (Fiat's FIRE engine), fully loaded, costs <4.5 lakhs on road and would be economical to own. IMO, its the best VFM premium petrol hatch considering its interior space, looks, features and the killer price you pay.

i have tested it and its perfect for city driving in heavy traffic if you are not a performance enthusiast (in which case even i20 wouldnt fit the bill).

Tata A*S*S has improved by leaps and bounds over the years and i speak from experience having own a trouble free V2 for 5 years before i went for a Vista QJD!
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Both, i20 and Vista are equally good in terms of being spacious and comfortable.

Vista is obviously the more frugal of the two, but your kind of usage i.e. 600-1000 kms. a month doesnt make any sense for a Diesel. i20 being a 1100Kgs.+ Hatch, mileage of 11Kpl in city isnt bad either.

Finally, when it comes to Reliability, Build Quality and trouble free ride for years, Hyundai is amongst the best in the industry. Though, i20 being recently launched, should not be an exception for Hyundai.

So, IMO it has to be the i20 for YOU.

I fail to understand how "running per month" is a deciding factor to make a choice between petrol and diesel, especially if the two car choices you have are priced exactly the same. I can understand if the petrol car is priced low : yes it has an advantage. But at the same price as a diesel, I just see no logical reason to go in for a petrol. I just think its a whim !!!

Just to give you a real life example. I drive a Wagon-R and my daily running is 40 kms per day. The mileage my Wagon-R gives is 12 kms/lit (max) with AC. So I burn 3 litres of petrol per day which costs me Rs.135 per day which equates to Rs.4050 per month.

For the past few weeks I have been driving an Indica V2 (and for all those concerned about Tata's poor built quality, the car I am driving has clocked 125,000 kms and is still going strong without ANY issues). I get a mileage of 16 kms/lit with AC. So for the same distance I am burning 2.5 litres of diesel per day which costs me Rs.85 per day which equates to Rs.2550 per month.

Petrol : 4550 per month
Diesel : 2550 per month

For a guy like me : saving Rs.1500 per month on fuel is a lot of money !! (And I am sure it is for a lot of others on this forum too !!)

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I don't see how i10's and i20's can match diesel's fuel efficiency. Reports suggest they are not able to match it. If an Indica V2 gives more mileage (16 km/lit) than an i20 petrol (11 km/lit) I don't see by any stretch of imagination how an i20 can beat an Indica Vista in terms of cost of running.

Qualitative discussions aside, I would like someone to throw some light quantitatively (with numbers) as to how an i20 is more affordable to own than an Indica Vista just because someone is going to drive it for 1000 kms a month !!!

BTW : I was about to book an Indica Vista QJ Aura but have decided to wait till Fiat Grande Punto is launched.

Diesel is the way to go forward !!!
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That is completely the wrong logic. Kindly check the original petrol diesel thread. The initial upfront cost as well as the driving experience of a well revving petrol are also key considerations.

Quality - You cannot compare a Hyundai i20 with any Tata vehicle - that price comparison is good only on paper, even for Swift!
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i drive about 800km a month, and i bought an indica turbo over a wagon R duo.
Why? total cost of ownership - running, servicing,resale, all considered, they were similar. But the Indica turbo had 14" wheels, and torque to spare. Our house is in a hilly area with very bad roads. Had a hard time getting the WR with just two people up these inclines - cant imagine doing the same with my whole family while running LPG, had to do a lot of half clutching and revving, and the wheels kept falling into ruts , and one of them going airborne at one point.

Suffice to say the indica manages to do it at near idle revs, and no drama, almost every day for the past two years.

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used a Indica V2 from 2004-2008, did 67000 kms got 13KM with AC in city, and 16 KM on highway.
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Old 15th June 2009, 07:28   #38
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That is completely the wrong logic. Kindly check the original petrol diesel thread. The initial upfront cost as well as the driving experience of a well revving petrol are also key considerations.

Quality - You cannot compare a Hyundai i20 with any Tata vehicle - that price comparison is good only on paper, even for Swift!
How is upfront cost an issue when both cars are priced the same ?????

Besides, in this post itself I have seen number of replies expressing the same thought that I have and nobody has been able to give a convincing reply.

But still I do not see any numbers supporting a petrol car !!!

I already said, leaving qualitative discussions aside (including driving experience) how is owning a petrol car more cost effective than owning a diesel car ? (when both cars are priced the same in the market).

I completely agree that Tata Quality cannot be compared to Hyundai Quality. But even after 125,000 kms if the so-called "inferior" Tata Quality has not let me down - what is wrong with it ?

Finally : pasting an excerpt from the May 2009 Sales Analysis posted on Team BHP

Future growth will only come from diesels (diesels now account for 1/3 of all passenger cars sold in India).

I am sure there are plenty of cars within those "1/3 of all passenger cars" that are going to do between 800-1200 kms a month. Is their logic flawed too ?
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why get personal about this choice between Diesel and Petrol?

those who want to enjoy petrol, buy petrol engine cars

those who want to enjoy diesel, buy diesel engine cars

i like petrol engine cars and i think diesel is for tractors and taxis, and thats my personal choice and i dont want to impose my choice on anyone!

isnt that simple?

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somehow amoghchaphalkar's words make sense. I have a petrol car and now I am thinking I could have saved a lot of money if I had a Diesel one. I travel some 800 KM a month.

Can someone contradict his claims but some valid mathematical prove similar kind of Diesel car will cost more than petrol car if driven less than 800 km per month?
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Please refer to This Thread - The Financial Truth - Petrol Vs Diesel for All Diesel VS Petrol arguments with respect to running cost & ROI.

Lets restrict this thread to i20 VS Vista Only

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hi kousikorama,
with GP launched now, you have a better option in Punto than Vista.
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True, Test drive them all
apart from some extra rear leg room space, i think punto scores better in all other areas than vista.
So now i think the real choice should be in Punto and i20.
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the only reason someone would now buy a Indica over the Grande Punto is because of the extra rear legroom and slightly cheaper price.
Otherwise Punto beats it hands down in all areas & both are service in the same place, so the main negative of FIAT is removed.
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the only reason someone would now buy a Indica over the Grande Punto is because of the extra rear legroom and slightly cheaper price.
Otherwise Punto beats it hands down in all areas & both are service in the same place, so the main negative of FIAT is removed.
I think you need to test-drive both back to back to find out the facts. I would put it the other way, the only reason someone would pay that extra premium (which is not small, close to 70-80k), if he wants the exclusive looks and better handling/conrnering at high speeds, because at rest of the parameters Vista is either equal or better be it ride comfort at low speeds, overall roominess, driving comfort(punto has very cramped foot-well), peppyness and ofcourse a lot less price. As far as plastics are concerned, I found Vista inernal Door handles cheap then Punto was having real cheap height adjustment lever and glove-box.

I agree with Petrol/Diesel argument for similarly priced cars specially with modern Diesel engines. Dieslels make more sense and in our country it makes even more sense where diesel itself is cheaper than petrol.
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