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Old 24th June 2009, 09:09   #1
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Question Hatchback Conundrum: Spoiled for Choice.

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Size:  191.8 KB<br /> <br /> <b>I know the piddy 800 doesnt have much going for it in today's context<br />
 but still this is a list of all that i've gotten used to:-</b><br /> <i><blockquote><b>+</b> The awesome vista. (the driver side A-pillar on the Swift irritates me).<br /> <b>+</b> With the level rear window, backing up is a cakewalk.<br /> <b>+</b> 12 years(1997 model). 45k KM. No overhaul. Awesome reliability.<br />
 [The cheap interior parts have come off on occasion.]<br /> <b>+</b> The fuel efficiency, i get around 17 in the scorching summers. <br />
[Sadly it prolly drops to 11 in the winters+Starting troubles.]<br /> <b>+</b> The zippiness. The linear responsiveness. The maneuverability.<br /> <b>+</b> I've gotten used to the feedback on the steering. <br />
[I can discern when a front tyre passes over a strip of paint.]<br /> <b>+</b> Great servicing, slightly steep <br />
[I get it done at the official service centre at Naraina]<br /> <b>+</b> Decent ground clearance.<br /> <b>+</b> The pedal spacing. I'm almost 6 ft. tall and find the driver seat and<br />
 space barely adequate. Once while wearing shorts, turning the wheel <br />
scraped my thigh, noticed the rashes afterwards. </blockquote></i><br /> <br /> <b>Getting to the point:</b><br /> <i><blockquote><b>*</b> I'm looking for a car under 7 lakh. that would embody most if not all of the plusses of my 800. Suggestions and advice solicited. <img src=
* As far as comparisons go, my only reference are the cars in the disclaimer below.
* I like the Swift's suspension. Turning and cornering is leagues better than the 800.
Does it get better? Where?
* As far as interior spaces go, i've lived with the bottom end.
So, its kinda confusing when people mention cheap interiors.
I mean, when you mean cheap, cheaper how and cheaper where?
* The plastics on the swift seem decent to me.
The levers are meaty and softly click when nudged.
* My daily journeys might be from Keshavpuram (North Delhi) to Dwarka and CP,
Indirapuram to Dwarka, and the odd journey to Noida.
* And the crux of it all, performance. All i need is something with decent pickup
(with 4 people and the AC on). When you say a particular cars performance
is lacking, i need perspective.
* I've zeroed in (lol!) on the Punto, Indica Vista, Aveo, Ford Fiesta(1.6 S igh!).
Petrol preferred for popping in a CNG later.
* I currently spent around 1200 on petrol every month. Don't want to see too high a rise.
* Doing the math, I might spend 1lakh on fuel in about 7 years.


Disclaimer:
Im not a motorhead. In fact i've mostly driven my 800. I get to drive my uncle's Swift VXi on most weekends sometimes a Santro. And on 2 solitary occasions drove a Aveo 1.4 and a Palio.

I rarely drive on the highway. But when i have, i do get a little ancy on the 800 and high speed. 60 on the 800 feels like 95 on the Swift. I rarely drive above 90. My colony has a lot of cars and there's jostling for parking space.

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Old 24th June 2009, 11:53   #2
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You have a very good budget. You should go for the diesel swift. Upgrading from 800 to the Swift would make good sense. I wouldn't really suggest you to go for the cng conversion as cost wise it would be the same. Interiors have been a problem in the Swift but that's the only problem, rest all is a wonder. Make sure you go for TD's and find it yourself before making a choice
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Old 24th June 2009, 12:34   #3
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Noooo... never a Diesel - I just find it completely useless for someone like you to spend on a diesel swift with your kinda running 45k km in ten years is pure petrol territory!

Santro or NHC (prev version) is what I'll recommend for you
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Old 24th June 2009, 13:18   #4
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A good contendor in that price bracket will be the Fiat Grande Punto. If you like the 'H' batch & dont mind stretching your budget a bit then the Jazz will be a good buy.
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My choice for you would be Swift/i20/Punto.when it comes to diesel/petrol it is your choice.

Fiesta/Linea/Dezire:will be a good choice for you.

Better take a test drive of all the above ones and decide.
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Considering the fact that your running is very low you should enjoy each and every bit of it. I would say go for the Fiesta S. Performance and great handling.
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Your CTQ's

- Long duration of ownership
- Low running and fuel costs
- Good performance with 4 people and AC
- Are you looking for boot space (Y/N)

Diesel out - Unless you have a very specific other reason to get one
Petrol

- i20: Slightly underpowered with one person driving
- i10: Might suit you need fine. Fuel Efficiency a bit below par
- Ritz: I really like the top end. Has all the goodies, space etc
- Jazz: There is already enough said about it. Perhaps not a frugal car overall
- Punto: Great contender. Should suit your needs fine as well

If one rarely uses boot space, I don't see the need to lug around extra weight all over town reducing Fuel Efficiency
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+ The awesome vista. (the driver side A-pillar on the Swift irritates me).

+ With the level rear window, backing up is a cakewalk.
+ The fuel efficiency, i get around 17 in the scorching summers.
+ The zippiness. The linear responsiveness. The maneuverability.
+ I've gotten used to the feedback on the steering.
[I can discern when a front tyre passes over a strip of paint.]
+ Great servicing, slightly steep
+ Decent ground clearance.
* I currently spent around 1200 on petrol every month. Don't want to see too high a rise.

Shuuuuuu.. same old problem with people like us who get used to the very very reliable car, its zippinees (no blind spot) good groung clearance and very cheap to maintain and then we like no other car in terms of zippiness. We have a 2000 model 5 gear 800 and it has done 1.4 lac kms and still running good (no overhaul yet). So...we know if a 10 year old Japanese car can do soo well..how much an improved new Japanese car can do..So.. I would recommend Astar for you.. Its zippi but its got lot of blind spots but then they dont make cars as they used to in past. A-star, Rits, Swift and SX4.. all have blind spots and the rear glass is sooo small that one can only see a person as tall as you in it.

A-star gives an average of about 17 and wont increase your fuel bills.. its ok-ok in terms of space.. can fit 4 people. but then its a maruti suzuki and you wont go wrong..

you can look for swift as well, its an excellent car but the I think you should wait in that case as the new engine for swift will be available soon (current petrol engine to phase out). swift will give you an average of about 12 on the stretch you do and has more space than a A-star. but then you fuel bills will certainly go upto 1800+.

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Since you have a budget of 7 lakhs and on road prices in Delhi is the lowest in the country I think a Honda City should not be above budget.
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Since you are gonna pop a CNG cylinder later, buy a car which has a reasonably powerful engine right from the outset, so that leaves out the i20. I will recommend Grande Punto 1.4 Emotion Pack + or the Fiesta 1.6S
Even 1.3 JTD Punto Emotion Pack + is in your buget. With your running even the diesel cost wont exceed 1200 rs a month.
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Honda Jazz should fit your bill.
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Blackrat : Allow us the privilege of making you a driving enthusiast . Go PLONK that money on the Fiesta 1.6 / 1.6S:

- Irresistible deals on the 1.6
- Compact enough for the city
- MASSIVE upgrade over the 800 in terms of build, interior space, quality and boot capacity.
- You will find reasons to drive, especially with the 1.6S.

Your driving volume is limited, thus fuel efficiency is not a constraint at all.

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I've gotten used to the feedback on the steering.
Few realise this, but the 800 has an awesome steering. Go-kart like and so connected. It can give a new definition to the word "feedback"!
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Few realise this, but the 800 has an awesome steering. Go-kart like and so connected. It can give a new definition to the word "feedback"!
Reason: No power steering.
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Few realise this, but the 800 has an awesome steering. Go-kart like and so connected. It can give a new definition to the word "feedback"!
Go-Kart like...thats the right word!!! I still love driving my 800 on Delhi-Gurgaon Highway.. over 100 it feels as if you are Goooooo-Kartinggggggggggg...
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+1 to the fiesta 1.6 great car, awesome engine and good deals available as well.
you will always enjoy that extra space.
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