Performance twins on a Budget- Fiat palio 1.6 Gtx Vs Ford Ikon 1.6- Help me decide! - Team-BHP

Makesh · 29th September 2009, 22:47

Hi Friends,

After your valuable suggestions I recently bought a ANHC and love every moment of the drive. Circa I had a santro and also have a Ikon 1.3, now I am in need of a second (second hand) car for my highway commute...

My budget is strictly 2L and highway performance is bare basic requriment, I know how punny it was to drive a santro at 100kmph.

I would be using the car for a 2K drive/per month, FE is not a big constrain as these cars can be driven slowly to get FE but alto cannot be turbo boosted when you need it in the middle of a four lanes were even trucks will cook you.

I am in touch with fellow Bhpian Beejay who has a Palio 1.6 Gtx (lucky his company used to pay him for the drive!) and I was very much Impressed by fellow Bhpians raveendra and redMM340's successfull additions, Gtx ofcourse.

Basically I am looking at a car which is five years old (not that I want old but nothing new will fit in my budget) 40 to 50K on the odo, so guys please feel free to suggest the pro's and con's of both the cars.

Also I would like to hear the maintanence costs from the owners of these cars.

Thanks and regards,

Makesh.

Mods: Please add a poll for the same.

It's "India", Let's Vote!

KRf1 · 29th September 2009, 23:59

The Ikon 1.6 seems to be the better buy . Both cars are brilliant to drive , but I think the Ikon has a few advantages namely :
1 . A Boot - It is useful for the highway run eg Luggage for hollidays etc
2 Spare Parts - I think it would be easier and cheaper to source spare parts for Ikon as it has a comparatively better network than Fiat . Though with the Tata partnership I am not sure.
But whatever decession you make you are sure to have loads of fun redlining the josh machines!

vkochar · 30th September 2009, 00:23

The 1.6 Palio & Ikon 1.6 both are very good driver's cars BUT if it is highway use you looking for then an Ikon would make more sense.

You would easily get a 50k done 5 year old 1.6 Ikon for about 1.75 - 2 lacs.

While searching for used cars - try the Baleno & Lancer as well though these might be a bit expensive and considering they are pretty much in demand in Southern India, it might be tough to find a good deal on these BUT have a look nevertheless

Keep us updated as to what you finally decided on.

vivekji05 · 30th September 2009, 09:49

Ikon 1.6

+ Lovely steering and good front end grip
+ Responsive engine and rorty exhaust note
+ Short gearing makes it feel peppier than 91bhp suggests.
+ Gear shift superbly weighted
+ Decent ride quality. Nxt version has softer spring rates
+ Stiff chassis
+ Rear seat- great for two
+ Boot is useful if you travel with four and have luggage to haul

- No anti roll bar. Noticeable roll when changing directions, although there is
no lack of grip
- Short gearing makes the engine feel strained beyond 120kmph
- Interiors feel cheap. Again NXT version has better plastics
- Prone to rust, mainly the exhaust
- Spares are not very cheap but might be easier to procure than the Palio
- Ignition troubles. If you are lucky, that will be the least of your problems.

Palio 1.6

+ Solid, heavy feel
+ Safer (?). Try and get a GTX SP with ABS and airbags
+ Great mid-range performance
+ Better build quality and quality plastics than the earlier ikons
+ Hatch and flip down seats useful when carrying items with just two
people onboard

- Spares and after sales service

The Palio has good mid range grunt and has more torque from its 16v motor. So the weight disadvantage is taken care of. The steering is not very lively around the centre, but is very accurate and well weighted.

The Ikon feels more eager to rev and is loads of fun when you drive it on an open road. You have to experience the communicative steering and the engine which despite being an 8valve unit, is very responsive and fairly rev happy. The low end torque makes it easy to drive around in town. Oh, it has the better gear shift quality with nice spring loaded lever. On the limit, the handling can be tricky, as the tail loses grip before the front end does.

But if fun to drive is what you are after, it is the best!

How do I know? I drive one !!!

Check this (Vivek's Baleno and Ikon- the 1.6 twins. EDIT : New wheels and interiors added)

finneyp · 30th September 2009, 12:07

If you don't need the boot, it is Palio 1.6 GTX all the way!

BlackPearl · 30th September 2009, 12:21

Both are awesome cars and you will not go wrong with any of them, but my personal choice would be the Palio 1.6.

Ragtop · 30th September 2009, 12:26

Have owned the GTX for the past 7+ years (Just sold today!!) and have thoroughly enjoyed it. I cannot fairly compare the two since I have never driven the option, however, as an all-rounder the Palio is a blast. The strong power band across the rev range is great and the high speed sure-footed handling is a joy. Parts, while expensive, have been no problem and I have found that the Bombay dealers have upped their game over the past few years to provide good service so much so that I switched back to dealer maintenance after using a private garage for over 3 years. Overall build quality is strong but the interiors and plastics have left a little to be desired. Regardless, given its high fun quotient, I highly recommend the Palio.

beejay · 30th September 2009, 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makesh

Hi Friends,
I am in touch with fellow Bhpian Beejay who has a Palio 1.6 Gtx (lucky his company used to pay him for the drive!)
It's "India", Let's Vote!

Makesh, Unfortunately I have hence quit and now have to foot the fuel bills myself

. Both my CJ 340 and GTX are guzzlers their own way and I don't mind
spending a bit extra on these machines. The feeling of ownership coupled with the rush while driving them is priceless. I must say that the GTX is quite fuel efficient in comparison with the CJ340, that is.
This is sure going to get nasty, yet here it goes,
Its the GTX over the Ikon any day. It does not even need a poll

.

Makesh · 30th September 2009, 13:12

Thanks Guys,

Krf1- Boot is not a requriment but is always an added advantage, as you mentoined the spares & service tilt scales towerds the Ikon. Having owned a 1.3 and still own for 4 years I have had not much of an expense or none!

vkochar- As you said rightly M & M (Maruti and Mitsubushu!) command a huge resale value down south, have not seen a baleno or a lancer bellow 3L.

vivekji05- Boy you must be having so much with these twins!, I agree with your point the rear looses grip, but what is the max you have gone in Ikon, 160? ro what is the max speed/ drivable max speeds in a four lane.

finneyp- Even mine, but they are becoming a rarer breed day by day.

BlackPearl- Mine too!

Ragtop- Sold!, I am not sure if you remember me but I had spoken to you about your car and some lucky guy must have got it, I am still GTX less. (of topic: what price?)

beejay- Thanks yar, without you I would have been so lost.

Mr_Bean · 30th September 2009, 13:20

Makesh, If you are really addicted to torque why don't you look into BS II baleno's, I recently brought a baleno, before making my choice I has the fusion & the 1.6 GTX in my list. But from service and practicality point of view I went for the baleno...

You will get a 2k4 baleno, II Owner for 2 lakhs in Chennai..

zaks · 30th September 2009, 14:58

He has shortlisted the two and LOL everyone wants to suggest one of this own.

Among the two I would pick the Ikon with eyes closed.

Makesh · 30th September 2009, 19:41

Mr Bean- I choose these cars because a good condition Baleno or a Lancer is not anywere close to my price, I recently picked up a ANHC so spent a lot and cannot expand the budget, but will be happy if I could get a Baleno for the price, Do you have a source?

Zaks- Any reason for picking the Ikon straightaway?

khan_sultan · 30th September 2009, 19:57

Makesh, I have not driven a ikon 1.6 so can't comment on that but the GTX is indeed a good car and a total VFM FTD car.

However, the BIG question is finding a decent GTX out there. Believe me, even 1-1.5 years ago, when I picked up the Palio 1.6 S10, I could NOT find even one decent GTX out there. Most of the examples out there were sure candidates of driving to the workshop more often than elsewhere.

So be careful before you choose either way. Rest of the +ve's/-ve's have already been pointed out quite nicely by other folks here.

vivekji05 · 30th September 2009, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makesh

vivekji05- Boy you must be having so much with these twins!, I agree with your point the rear looses grip, but what is the max you have gone in Ikon, 160?

Get the Palio 1.6, if you dont need a boot. It feels much more manageable on the limit. But I suggest you drive a good Ikon before you settle for the Palio GTX. Chances are that you will love it.

I haven't pushed it beyond 140kmph. The rear end coming round is a good feeling, if you can correct it. Losing it would be catastrophic though.

shantyrocks · 1st October 2009, 16:20

palio 1.6 all the way dude!
ikon spares are damn expensive maan ,though they might be easire to get.
Have driven ikon and used to own a petra 1.6 . the power of the palio engine is sure to drive you crazy and the high way stability is an added bonus.

29th September 2009, 22:47	#1 (permalink)
Makesh BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Coimbatore Posts: 41	Performance twins on a Budget- Fiat palio 1.6 Gtx Vs Ford Ikon 1.6- Help me decide! Hi Friends, After your valuable suggestions I recently bought a ANHC and love every moment of the drive. Circa I had a santro and also have a Ikon 1.3, now I am in need of a second (second hand) car for my highway commute... My budget is strictly 2L and highway performance is bare basic requriment, I know how punny it was to drive a santro at 100kmph. I would be using the car for a 2K drive/per month, FE is not a big constrain as these cars can be driven slowly to get FE but alto cannot be turbo boosted when you need it in the middle of a four lanes were even trucks will cook you. I am in touch with fellow Bhpian Beejay who has a Palio 1.6 Gtx (lucky his company used to pay him for the drive!) and I was very much Impressed by fellow Bhpians raveendra and redMM340's successfull additions, Gtx ofcourse. Basically I am looking at a car which is five years old (not that I want old but nothing new will fit in my budget) 40 to 50K on the odo, so guys please feel free to suggest the pro's and con's of both the cars. Also I would like to hear the maintanence costs from the owners of these cars. Thanks and regards, Makesh. Mods: Please add a poll for the same. It's "India", Let's Vote! __________________ Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm

29th September 2009, 23:59	#2 (permalink)
KRf1 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 166	The Ikon 1.6 seems to be the better buy . Both cars are brilliant to drive , but I think the Ikon has a few advantages namely : 1 . A Boot - It is useful for the highway run eg Luggage for hollidays etc 2 Spare Parts - I think it would be easier and cheaper to source spare parts for Ikon as it has a comparatively better network than Fiat . Though with the Tata partnership I am not sure. But whatever decession you make you are sure to have loads of fun redlining the josh machines! __________________ "With Senna,I learned how things should be done...With Mansell I learned how things mustn't be done" (Mika Hakkinen,1995)

30th September 2009, 00:23	#3 (permalink)
vkochar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Delhi / Agra / London Posts: 1,500 View My Garage	The 1.6 Palio & Ikon 1.6 both are very good driver's cars BUT if it is highway use you looking for then an Ikon would make more sense. You would easily get a 50k done 5 year old 1.6 Ikon for about 1.75 - 2 lacs. While searching for used cars - try the Baleno & Lancer as well though these might be a bit expensive and considering they are pretty much in demand in Southern India, it might be tough to find a good deal on these BUT have a look nevertheless Keep us updated as to what you finally decided on. __________________ Verna CRDi !! June '08 Accent GLE - April '05

30th September 2009, 09:49	#4 (permalink)
vivekji05 BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ernakulam Posts: 211	Ikon 1.6 + Lovely steering and good front end grip + Responsive engine and rorty exhaust note + Short gearing makes it feel peppier than 91bhp suggests. + Gear shift superbly weighted + Decent ride quality. Nxt version has softer spring rates + Stiff chassis + Rear seat- great for two + Boot is useful if you travel with four and have luggage to haul - No anti roll bar. Noticeable roll when changing directions, although there is no lack of grip - Short gearing makes the engine feel strained beyond 120kmph - Interiors feel cheap. Again NXT version has better plastics - Prone to rust, mainly the exhaust - Spares are not very cheap but might be easier to procure than the Palio - Ignition troubles. If you are lucky, that will be the least of your problems. Palio 1.6 + Solid, heavy feel + Safer (?). Try and get a GTX SP with ABS and airbags + Great mid-range performance + Better build quality and quality plastics than the earlier ikons + Hatch and flip down seats useful when carrying items with just two people onboard - Spares and after sales service The Palio has good mid range grunt and has more torque from its 16v motor. So the weight disadvantage is taken care of. The steering is not very lively around the centre, but is very accurate and well weighted. The Ikon feels more eager to rev and is loads of fun when you drive it on an open road. You have to experience the communicative steering and the engine which despite being an 8valve unit, is very responsive and fairly rev happy. The low end torque makes it easy to drive around in town. Oh, it has the better gear shift quality with nice spring loaded lever. On the limit, the handling can be tricky, as the tail loses grip before the front end does. But if fun to drive is what you are after, it is the best! How do I know? I drive one !!! Check this (Vivek's Baleno and Ikon- the 1.6 twins. EDIT : New wheels and interiors added) __________________ It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow!

30th September 2009, 12:07	#5 (permalink)
finneyp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,203 View My Garage	If you don't need the boot, it is Palio 1.6 GTX all the way! __________________ Drive Safe, your loved ones need you! My passion is not driving Cars, but driving a FIAT! Finney, Palio 1.2 NV - 2004

30th September 2009, 12:21	#6 (permalink)
BlackPearl BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hightstown(NJ, USA), Calcutta (India) Posts: 958 View My Garage	Both are awesome cars and you will not go wrong with any of them, but my personal choice would be the Palio 1.6. __________________ Don't take life too seriously, no matter what you do you won't come out of it alive

30th September 2009, 12:26	#7 (permalink)
Ragtop Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 19	Have owned the GTX for the past 7+ years (Just sold today!!) and have thoroughly enjoyed it. I cannot fairly compare the two since I have never driven the option, however, as an all-rounder the Palio is a blast. The strong power band across the rev range is great and the high speed sure-footed handling is a joy. Parts, while expensive, have been no problem and I have found that the Bombay dealers have upped their game over the past few years to provide good service so much so that I switched back to dealer maintenance after using a private garage for over 3 years. Overall build quality is strong but the interiors and plastics have left a little to be desired. Regardless, given its high fun quotient, I highly recommend the Palio.

30th September 2009, 13:12	#9 (permalink)
Makesh BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Coimbatore Posts: 41	Thanks Guys, Krf1- Boot is not a requriment but is always an added advantage, as you mentoined the spares & service tilt scales towerds the Ikon. Having owned a 1.3 and still own for 4 years I have had not much of an expense or none! vkochar- As you said rightly M & M (Maruti and Mitsubushu!) command a huge resale value down south, have not seen a baleno or a lancer bellow 3L. vivekji05- Boy you must be having so much with these twins!, I agree with your point the rear looses grip, but what is the max you have gone in Ikon, 160? ro what is the max speed/ drivable max speeds in a four lane. finneyp- Even mine, but they are becoming a rarer breed day by day. BlackPearl- Mine too! Ragtop- Sold!, I am not sure if you remember me but I had spoken to you about your car and some lucky guy must have got it, I am still GTX less. (of topic: what price?) beejay- Thanks yar, without you I would have been so lost. __________________ Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm

30th September 2009, 13:20	#10 (permalink)
Mr_Bean BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Satan's Den Posts: 199 View My Garage	Makesh, If you are really addicted to torque why don't you look into BS II baleno's, I recently brought a baleno, before making my choice I has the fusion & the 1.6 GTX in my list. But from service and practicality point of view I went for the baleno... You will get a 2k4 baleno, II Owner for 2 lakhs in Chennai.. __________________ I hate the excommunication of the Diabolist, let the plague of extreme darkness fall upon them Last edited by Mr_Bean : 30th September 2009 at 13:22.

30th September 2009, 14:58	#11 (permalink)
zaks BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 530 View My Garage	He has shortlisted the two and LOL everyone wants to suggest one of this own. Among the two I would pick the Ikon with eyes closed.

30th September 2009, 19:41	#12 (permalink)
Makesh BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Coimbatore Posts: 41	Mr Bean- I choose these cars because a good condition Baleno or a Lancer is not anywere close to my price, I recently picked up a ANHC so spent a lot and cannot expand the budget, but will be happy if I could get a Baleno for the price, Do you have a source? Zaks- Any reason for picking the Ikon straightaway? __________________ Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm

30th September 2009, 19:57	#13 (permalink)
khan_sultan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,472 View My Garage	Makesh, I have not driven a ikon 1.6 so can't comment on that but the GTX is indeed a good car and a total VFM FTD car. However, the BIG question is finding a decent GTX out there. Believe me, even 1-1.5 years ago, when I picked up the Palio 1.6 S10, I could NOT find even one decent GTX out there. Most of the examples out there were sure candidates of driving to the workshop more often than elsewhere. So be careful before you choose either way. Rest of the +ve's/-ve's have already been pointed out quite nicely by other folks here. __________________ The best way to kill an idea is to take it to a meeting....

1st October 2009, 16:20	#15 (permalink)
shantyrocks BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: thane Posts: 546	palio 1.6 all the way dude! ikon spares are damn expensive maan ,though they might be easire to get. Have driven ikon and used to own a petra 1.6 . the power of the palio engine is sure to drive you crazy and the high way stability is an added bonus.

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