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Old 14th April 2010, 13:06   #16
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Brother,
replacing Santro with Palio 1.2 will be a BLUNDER, if nothing less!!
Having owned both of these at some time, i can VOUCH for Santro but the 1.2 Palio - sorry dude - you are looking at the wrong car. That too for an exchange.

Here are the cons:
1. Driveability - leave aside overtaking....man this 1.2 beast feels like its struggling to keep up with the city cars - specially with AC on. Absolutely no fun to drive - the 1.6 Palio is the one to go for.
2. Turning Radius - one of the biggest turn offs. Feels like i am driving a truck - taking U-turns is a nightmare
3. Sales service - specially on the older Palios is another con
4. Fuel efficiency - Though you are not considering this, still this is a con when compared to Santro
5. Resale - whats that??

The only ONE positive about Palio 1.2 is its build quality - like all FIATs - its a tank.
Thats it!!

Go for Palio GTX, Sport 1.6 if you really want a real PALIO.

Other wise, just keep the Santro and enjoy the car. Santro is a VERY VERY decent car in all comparisons.
I recently sold off my 2006 Santro Xing for 2 lacs 15 thousand in Chandigarh - on my India trip...thats the amount of resale satisfaction this car gives.And its a superb car in all resepcts - driveability,fun to drive,gearbox,FE,resale,A** you name it.
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Take an informed decision, do not go by emotional waves
And I believe that lot of us suffer from this wave. I am one of them
I don't have a Palio but I also lost lot of money in a short period on cars.
Like some people say "Gutter se naali mein jaane ka kya faayda".
Stick to Santro man, it's much better.

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Go for Palio GTX, Sport 1.6 if you really want a real PALIO.
Exactly!

Santro to a Palio 1.2 doesn't make sense at all. Besides the CoO can hit you bad depending on the previous usage of the vehicle.

Palio 1.6 will never disappoint you. Drive it to believe it. I myself upgraded from a peppy Zen to a hot hatch Palio 1.6 GTX and have never once regretted.

If I'm not wrong, the price differences of 1.2 and 1.6 aren't much which makes the deal on 1.6 all the more sweet.

One more thing, buy a Palio only when you are mentally prepared on its cons. Its not a typical drive and forget kind of a car like a Maruti and Hyundai. You may have to spend some extra time in nourishing and feeding the baby.

All the best!
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The 1.6 goes for at least 40% more price, from the ads I have seen. Also it will be a fuel guzzler due to the bigger engine. So while I get a more powerful engine, the price and FE are big question marks.

I have also seen reviews of many Fiat owners (Palios and even Unos) reporting trouble-free running of upto a lakh kilometres or even more. So I guess the concerns about quality are quite individual. If a particular car is a lemon, it would be a problem always. But if a particular car is good, it would give you good VFM too. So this point comes at the time of physical inspection of the car.

So far, I am willing to give the Palio a look over at least. Will see if I can make it next week and then post back the impressions. It's not going to be a hurried decision, so I shall spend good time evaluating the car. Even if it's a steal and someone has bid for it, I am not going to rush into it.

Meanwhile do post back with all your different opinions and stories, I appreciate all of them.
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The 1.6 goes for at least 40% more price, from the ads I have seen. Also it will be a fuel guzzler due to the bigger engine. So while I get a more powerful engine, the price and FE are big question marks.
Maybe true on the price part but the FE consumption difference is not huge. My friend's 1.2 Sport gives him 10-11 kmpl and my GTX gives me 9-10 kmpl. On Highways, add about 3-4 kmpl for each. The F.E of 1.6 is a big debate. People think just because its a big and powerful engine it is bound to give less F.E. Thats the beauty of 1.6. You can tame it for sedate driving thus return an FE of reasonable acceptance and you can also rip it apart to experience the racer in you

Since you brought the topic of trouble free ownership, let me just highlight my side of the story. I bought 2001 1.6 GTX in Aug 2008 with a odo reading of 69K kms. With just a little under 2 years of ownership, the car has clocked 82K kms and going strong. I have serviced it twice with regular fluid changes, brake pads replacements, engine bay clean up and all that stuff. The only other expenses apart from servicing which I incurred were on Door stoppers (Around 1K) and a Silencer welding (Rs. 500).

Hope this helps.

P.S - I still feel 1.6 prices can also be negotiated hard. Since time is on your side, no harm in checking out some samples.
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Actually, Santro & Palio is not comparable, Santro is a small car, Palio is a spacious hatch.

In a Palio, you will love the Ride comfort, Build quality, Space, Handling, Looks etc.
FE of Palio 1.2 is around 12 - 13 kpl in City, 16 - 18 on highways.
Go for the Palio, you will enjoy the drive!

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Hi,

I'm no techie to talk about performance comparisons over both cars..I'll leave it to the experts do the talk!

I second with Praful regarding the comfort and driveability pleasure you will get in Palio which others may not. It may not be as zippy to drive as your Santro but its a highway cruiser and built strong for safety.

The ergonomics of the car is still the best till date for the driver and the co passengers.

Steering feedback is superb even on a 120+ speeds

Yes service is not upto the mark as Maruti or Hyundai but they are improving. If a critical issue crops up, you may need to spend some time with Service guys as the electricals are complex and advanced than the Maruti and Hyundai wheelers. Even a local mechanic who has never worked on FIAT cars will not touch the electricals and if he does, he may goof up!

The Palio is a reliable car if it is in hand of a person who has well maintained it. It all depends how the owner has maintained it. Many Palio owners are still living with their cars with 1Lac+ kms on the odo!

If the car looks and drives like a good car then my 2 cents to get this car upto the shape (if you purchase) since it would be a 7+year car:
Give her a complete service. All lubes (engine, brake), radiator flush, new belts and spark plugs. Also look out for any rubber components which have gotten bad.

However if you suspect a bad suspension and poor engine or driveability feedback, stay away! If you intent for a Palio 1.2, try if you find a top model ELX! Check it thoroughly with a experienced mechanic who knows about FIAT cars.

But a used Palio 1.2 or 1.6 is a steal in these times! If one needs a peace of mind and let the A.S.S take the care of it then the Santro will do good to your practicality life! Coz its matter of what you want from a car and how much you can compromise when needed!

Good Luck~

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Old 14th April 2010, 16:19   #23
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I ve no inkling what this might lead to but Honeybee is doing what I did 4 years ago. Seriously I can see him selling his Santro at 1.9 Lacs, Buying this 1.2 @ 90k and Then spending 1 lakh or even more on beautifying this er .... Beast.

I sold my Santro @ 1.5 Lakhs and It had 70 K plus on OD, Bought the 1.2 for 70K, and spent 50 K on day one on tyres, ICe etc.. But then every other day a thing would conk out and I would be at the sinleGarage (Karnal has only one palio specialist) and this guy would charge exorbiant labour and spare.

Then I had to sell the same "Solid " car at 70K since there was not a single buyer. No doubt when it ran, It oodles of power compared to a Santro, but the Santro maneoures like a dream, Its rubber Beading does not cost the Earth, Its rear view Mirros are available in every city(I had to go to delhi to get one for Palio)

It is not that I am a Pertinent Fiat hater (Hell I had 2 of em) but I believe Cars should be fun to drive, In todays workaholic atmospheres, taking out time for a Simple Car service needs a weeks planning but to ride a Mechanic's behind for each an every work in the Palio would take a toll on your plannings always. I remember two distinct times when I had to get my Boss to push the Palio . Really and he had to catch a bus with me Midway so that we could reach the venue on time.....

Dont do it bro..... If you still want a Fiat,
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Rohit, when you buy a used car of any brand, you need to do due diligence, get at all the past service details etc!
You need to ensure it is a well maintained car, then only you should go-ahead with the purchase!
My 6 year old Palio, done 40K kms as of now, is still going strong, I just do routine service every 7K kms, nothing else.
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Rohit, I have gone through your earlier post and have noted down your concerns. And please be assured I shall go through the condition, service history, past repairs etc. of the car with the owner if/when I go visit him.

The fact is that Palio as a car is superior to the Santro. But at the same time the fact also is the probability of finding a defective Palio is higher than finding a defective Santro, and getting the Palio serviced/repaired from an experienced and knowledgeable hand will be more difficult than for a Santro. So please rest assured, I shall post my observations here once I go see the car.
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I have also started looking at Unos. I used to drive a diesel Uno back in 1999-2003 when it was in vogue. A very sturdy car with good performance.

Checked out a vehicle at a Hyundai showroom (they also buy and sell used vehicles, any brand). The car is a petrol Uno with AC. Registered in 2000, presently it does not have any insurance coverage. Took a test ride in it and the car looks peppy. With a thorough lubricants overhaul the engine should kick as$. The space inside the car must be felt from the inside. The boot is cavernous for a hatchback.

There are several negatives though. The car has been repainted, the front bumper has been dislocated on the left, the rear dislocated on the right, though it appears to be some minor issues and not indicating any serious accidents. Two of the lights need replacement, the co-driver's door is jammed. Front doors have after-market power windws which don't work. The AC needs overhauling. Both ORVMs are paralytic and need to be replaced.

The biggest problem is rust. The driver's door and the rear right door have rust running along the top portion, along the rubber strip on the window sill. The driver's door has two holes in it from rust, one of them the size of a one rupee coin. Corners of the doors have been rusted too, but the flooring looks alright. No idea if the vehicle was painted because the rust set in or the rust set in after the vehicle was painted. These people never share the vehicle history with you.

The price quoted was 30K. I told them I was looking at another couple of Unos and would get back to them. Meanwhile they will be running up an estimate of all that needs to be refurbished. Mostly I am going to walk away from it except if they decide to refurbish it good and offer it at a reasonable price.
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Doesn't the Palio EL lack power steering? >_>
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Man!!
Uno was a good car I agree but those WERE the times.
Today, UNO = pure OUTDATED car. Cmon, its not even worth at 10k, believe me. Only if u r financially challenged, it makes sense to go for these or to be used as a taxi in some rural area. thats it
If I were you, I would sell my Santro and get a much modern second hand car such as 1.3 Esteem,Baleno,Getz etc and enjoy some trouble free and fun filled ride.
But thats 'IF'.

I wish you luck!!

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Lot of factors to consider :

FE - Stay with Santro (Since it is Palio 1.2, i dont think there will be a much noticeable diff, but still)
Ride comfort and quality - Go for Palio
Style - Go for Palio
After sales - Stay with Santro (Its cheaper compared to Palio)

Over all, I would go ahead with the Palio, as I have some mind blocks with the Korean Manufacturer (Hyundai).

This is my personal opinion.
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I also went to check another diesel Uno at a nearby used car dealer's place. He informed me the car is selling for just under a lakh, has been maintained and cared for extremely well, with the owner recently replacing the clutch plate, pressure plate and many other things. The car has covered more than 80K, and the owner is a sworn Fiat afficianado, this being his fourth Uno.

If parts are available, even though made in India, I don't see why the Uno being an outdated car would matter. Of course I am going to check with a few places if really ALL the parts are available, such as doors, windscreen and everything else that goes into a car.

The test ride I took was in a 9 year old Uno, not much cared for by the owner, but the suspension was still superb. Where the Santro would have made me slow down when going over any irregularity, I found the rear seat comfort in the Uno was much better. You just can't beat this car with any modern hatchbacks.
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