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Old 23rd January 2009, 14:46   #211
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http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/849691-post66.html

This is something I learnt, thought may be helpful to all you guys.

1) The manufacturer rolls out the car and immediately invoices the dealer before it goes to his parking Yard. 1st Owner responsibility - Dealer
Note - The manufacturer never owns responsibility of a car that is invoiced on a dealer name.

2) Car lies in the yard (owner - dealer) then ships it onto a truck to his place anywhere in India - Insurance responsibility - still the dealer headache.

3) Car comes to dealers parking yard - still his problem. The minute the new Owner OK's the purchase - The sale invoice means that the new owner bears all the headache hence forth. Of course - this step happens ONLY after the dealer REALIZES the money (Loan/Cash/Cheque).

4) Next step is the sale invoice copy and chassis# and engine# goes to the insurance person and the cover note is generated.

5) Then with the invoice in triplicate (3 copies) and 1 insurance cover note copy, and the ONE sale certificate from the maker - the car enters the local RTO- to either get a 30days TR Temp Regn - OR - a permanent regn. TR costs as little as 1K for a CS TDI class, may be around 3-4K max-max for a BIG sedan/SUV.

------Why all this story------

Well, I learnt one thing from this, any automobile in India can be regd ONLY once with the sale cert from the maker - Meaning - Any car you see in a showroom as a TR Regn should be already registered as a SHOWROOM OWNED car, and then its upto the 'showroom' owner to re-regd it as TR or a perm#.

Point is - There is only ONE way a Test Drive Car ends up as a "new" car in a hands of a un-suspecting owner - Major FRAUD - Of not TR regd a new car in the name of the showroom - just using it around without connecting the speedo - WITHOUT INSURING IT - (one who doesnot want to own it as TD car will NOT insure it).

-------where am I going with all this??-------

Remember Sunson(I think) who got roughed up by a bangalore crowd after the SX4 BIMAL crash???

MOST LIKELY that SX4 did not have a TR nor a Insurance!!! May be thats why the Showroom was so ROWDY with him!!

-------MORAL --------

All you Pian's - PLZ PLZ Make sure you ask for the TR copy and the Insurance Copy of the TD car before taking it for a spin - Most likely you wont see one, then exercise caution before rippin' er' out.
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Old 23rd January 2009, 16:24   #212
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MS001 - what about TD vehicles with a proper registration plate?
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Old 23rd January 2009, 16:36   #213
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Either -
-they are registered in the name of the dealer
-customer vehicle ready for delivery
-customer vehicle given for service
-Or may be the number plates are fake u never know.

This is what i can think of , these are not authentic facts from anywhere.
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aha! u guys talking about a TD car?!

The same dealer in question here has a bajaj two wheeler showroom near my office. Everyday I can see a brand new tata car parked outside that showroom. Either a director or a top executive is using unregistered showroom cars(either a Fiat Palio or a Tata Vehicle, sometimes a Vista Demo car too!) to visit this place. Anyone can easily make out that the cars are directly from stockyard as it is seen dirty and without any registeration plates. Earlier it was a Tata Safari inplace of these cars!
When this is the scene, how can we expect the real face of the car that we get to TD or purchase?! It can be a brnad new one, or a customer waiting car, or a car that came for service... etc etc...

What is the business ethics these guys practise??! As a prospective buyer, I can understand if I see such a car once or twice or even thrice there! But this is a daily show! I have made it a point to avoid them when I think bout a tata car or Fiat car next time!

Toooo bad a dealer!
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My neighbor wanted to buy a linea, till i pointed him in the direction of this thread!! Btw, he went to check out the car a few days back, and still no response from RF even after leaaving his card with them! I guess, the legendary fiat A.S.S is gonna kill this car too!!!
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Planning to buy a 2009 Tata indica Vista car.

Now how can I be sure as to

a) Whether car is really a 2009 manufactured car(where is the info seen.I opened the bonnet of the indica vista and I did not see any no on the Engine)

b) How can I make sure that car I am getting will be a new car and not a car used for TD or a customer rejected car.

I saw in one of the threads about Date of manufacture being last digit of the Engine and Alphabet after that denotes the month.However I did not see any such no in the Tata indica vista.

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Old 25th January 2009, 09:34   #217
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Has anyone directly contacted FIAT/TATA about the dealer showing facts about its malpractices? Probably with pictures of the unmarked cars lying at the bajaj dealer and a few details which muneem could provide. I think this is one way in which we could make them know that they cant really continue doing such things with "customer property". Why dont we just give it a try and see what iturns out to be. If the manufacturer is still not bothered and does nothing to stop such malpractice it would be a stroger case for us to blacklist them for good. Giving them facts with proof to act on is the best thing we can do to help as a group.

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I'm sure many people here have close ties with FiAT India. Especially some from P.U.G.
I also think they have already pointed them to this thread. Hope Tata-FiAT takes some constructive action ahead on this specific dealer.
And FiAT has to improve it's interaction with their customers by atleast coming out of the veil. They cannot keep hiding behind Tata for long.
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a) Whether car is really a 2009 manufactured car(where is the info seen.I opened the bonnet of the indica vista and I did not see any no on the Engine)
There would be a plate with the engine and chassis number embossed somewhere in the engine bay; but I will appreciate if some vista owner actually posts some pic of the place - and you should also raise in query in one of the vista threads.

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b) How can I make sure that car I am getting will be a new car and not a car used for TD or a customer rejected car.
Ask or a rate colour / variant combination, and wait till it is delivered from the factory, and then ensure that you take delivery straight from the truck brining the vehicle straight from the factory.

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I saw in one of the threads about Date of manufacture being last digit of the Engine and Alphabet after that denotes the month.However I did not see any such no in the Tata indica vista.
As I said, please raise a query in one of the vitsta threads.
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hello aravind, i agree with you in toto, read my post elsewhere where i had visited the Tata- fiat showroom for a td of the Linea and came back with a distinct sense of deja-vu...the dealer was more interested in pushing the Vista parked near, the Linea td was a long wait wait and nobody seemed that interested. I left after the td and nobody even bothered to get my feedback/whatever. For all you know, I may not even have been present in the showroom.
I pity Fiat, I love Fiat, but I am gonna be very tough to please seeing that I now have the budget to splurge on the Accord.
Pinning my hopes on Volkswagen now, with the new Golf and not the tired Jetta.
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hello aravind, i agree with you in toto, read my post elsewhere where i had visited the Tata- fiat showroom for a td of the Linea and came back with a distinct sense of deja-vu...the dealer was more interested in pushing the Vista parked near, the Linea td was a long wait wait and nobody seemed that interested. I left after the td and nobody even bothered to get my feedback/whatever. For all you know, I may not even have been present in the showroom.
I pity Fiat, I love Fiat, but I am gonna be very tough to please seeing that I now have the budget to splurge on the Accord.
Pinning my hopes on Volkswagen now, with the new Golf and not the tired Jetta.
Reading this, and few more threads on the similar lines that TATA dealerships give a stepmotherly treatment to LInea/Fiat cars, i wonder why would a dealer bother which make the car is? Unless otherwise it is a company owned showroom, a dealer makes money when he sells a car. He would be happy push the car that has more potential to sell, and the one that gets him the meximum margin. If that's the case, wouldn't they focus more on Linea?
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Reading this, and few more threads on the similar lines that TATA dealerships give a stepmotherly treatment to LInea/Fiat cars, i wonder why would a dealer bother which make the car is? Unless otherwise it is a company owned showroom, a dealer makes money when he sells a car. He would be happy push the car that has more potential to sell, and the one that gets him the meximum margin. If that's the case, wouldn't they focus more on Linea?
Apparently, dealerships get more margin per car sold with TATA than FIAT. Explains why they push the Indicas instead of the Palios. I suppose, with no TATA competitor for the Linea, they won't bother.

Besides, psychologically, you'd tend to side with the manufacturer which makes you more money than the underdog, wouldn't you?
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Apparently, dealerships get more margin per car sold with TATA than FIAT. Explains why they push the Indicas instead of the Palios.
Are you sure on this?
Do you have any figures to prove this?

OR is this just another assumption?
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I am sure on this. I trust my source.

I don't have any figures. Try as I might, I could not get the accountants of the dealership to give me copies of their financial records.

It is not an assumption.
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So, FiAT cars fetch less margin than what a Tata car can fetch?
No wonder nobody wants to sell one.

But I wonder why!
As they sell in limited numbers and has less public appeal, FiAT is supposed to push it with attractive dealer/customer offers. Ain't it?
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