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Old 16th February 2012, 11:00   #1786
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My understanding is that the Scorpio will be registered in Bangalore.

This does not affect the calculations since most insurance companies dont have the Zone Concept after de-tariffing.

The insurance companies in India use some or all of the below mentioned criteria to decide on the OD rate.

1. Make & Model
2. Location where the Car is used
3. Registration Location
4. Age of Vehicle
5. Fuel Type
6. Vehicle Segment ( Hatch/Sedan/SUV/ Luxury/etc) or CC

Based on the above factors the Insurance Premium without discount is around 35K (incl taxes).
After Discount of 25 % on the OD part the premium works around 27K.

The above premium and the factors vary from company to company.
Which Insurance company you work for?

1) It doesn't matter where you register your car, THERE is a Zonal rate. Zone A is metro cities of India and Zone B is Rest of India. Both rates are different and are very much USED for calculations. De-tarrifing of rates doesn't mean instead of Zone A rate of 3.44% you can use 2.50% or any rate you like! It has to be discounted by first using base rate according to the zones.

2) Age of vehicle, Registered Location and CC are the main factors. Make and model depends upon the individual company's claim ratio. I am yet to see type of FUEL affecting premium.

3) N.Devdath has clearly mentioned the quote is 26,060 INR. Quote includes TP premium as well, if you are talking just about OD premium then its only 20k!

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Old 16th February 2012, 12:53   #1787
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Which Insurance company you work for?

1) It doesn't matter where you register your car, THERE is a Zonal rate. Zone A is metro cities of India and Zone B is Rest of India. Both rates are different and are very much USED for calculations. De-tarrifing of rates doesn't mean instead of Zone A rate of 3.44% you can use 2.50% or any rate you like! It has to be discounted by first using base rate according to the zones.

2) Age of vehicle, Registered Location and CC are the main factors. Make and model depends upon the individual company's claim ratio. I am yet to see type of FUEL affecting premium.

3) N.Devdath has clearly mentioned the quote is 26,060 INR. Quote includes TP premium as well, if you are talking just about OD premium then its only 20k!
F50,

1. I dont work for an Insurance Company. I work as a Insurance Industry Consultant in a IT MNC implementing systems for insurance companies. There is no Zonal Rate Concept anymore atleast in most private insurers

2. Fuel / Segment affects the premium calculation like Diesel vehicle being charged extra premium where all the other parametes (incl IDV ) remains same.I know the algorithms built in these system for premium calculations.
There are plans to introduce other parameters like Color of Vehicle , Age of Insured , etc.

3. TP premium is tariff driven. For CC > 1500 the premium is 2750 + tax. The discount is given only on the OD part. I have taken that into consideration.

I cannot give more information on this forum. Would be happy to discuss & share our knowledge. Please PM.
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My vista's alloy wheel was damaged(chipped) by an errant auto rickshaw. Is this covered by insurance?
BTW, it is with United India Insurance.
Is this alloy part of the standard vehicle or added aftermarket ?

If this is part of standard vehicle then it should be covered.

If this alloys is added later, then unless you add it as an endorsement in Non-Electrical Accessories part you would not be covered.
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I'm taking delivery of a new Skoda rapid TDI in about 2 weeks time in bangalore. The insurance quoted by the dealer is 33k plus 7k for the drive assure { which i think is skoda's version of bumper to bumper insurance} I felt that this was quite high, checked with Royal sundaram and they too quoted the same value since they have a tie up with Skoda. Who are others who offer this kind of a package? If the amount is just 1-2k extra I wouldnt want to bother with some one else, but I dont want to end up paying a huge sum as excess. Any feedback please?

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1. I dont work for an Insurance Company. I work as a Insurance Industry Consultant in a IT MNC implementing systems for insurance companies. There is no Zonal Rate Concept anymore atleast in most private insurers

2. Fuel / Segment affects the premium calculation like Diesel vehicle being charged extra premium where all the other parametes (incl IDV ) remains same.I know the algorithms built in these system for premium calculations.
There are plans to introduce other parameters like Color of Vehicle , Age of Insured , etc.

3. TP premium is tariff driven. For CC > 1500 the premium is 2750 + tax. The discount is given only on the OD part. I have taken that into consideration.

I cannot give more information on this forum. Would be happy to discuss & share our knowledge. Please PM.
1. I know Bajaj Allianz & New India' system inside out, I have worked for them.

2. Fuel is still not affecting premium, at least not till yesterday evening before I left the office

3. Yes, I know the figures. 26060 was final figure 20,xxx (OD) + tp + tax

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Old 16th February 2012, 15:24   #1791
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1. I know Bajaj Allianz & New India' system inside out, I have worked for them.

2. Fuel is still not affecting premium, at least not till yesterday evening before I left the office

3. Yes, I know the figures. 26060 was final figure 20,xxx (OD) + tp + tax

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F50,

Hope we have reached consensus over our debate.

For the benefit of larger audience we can conclude that after detariff of Motor Tariff in India, each insurance company is trying innovative methods to categorize the risk and define the premium

Indian Insurance market is still at a very early stage and are evolving towards better risk management. In due course of time we would see various other parameters been added to get a better control over the risk and premium.
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Renewed insurance of our Suzuki Access.
The bike is going to be one year old now.
Cost me Rs. 1019 with Bajaj. The first year insurance was around Rs. 1250 or so.

I opted for accident cover and included two people (that added around Rs. 100-150) to the total cost, but I guess it is worth the extra money -specially when I compare insurance costs of my car.
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Sorry for being a novice on insurance.

I got my insurance free from the dealer as part of the existing offer at that time, so I never inquired about what type it is of, assuming that the dealer do the insurance for all customers equally. How do I identify whether my insurance is third party or comprehensive? Is it the premium paid for 'own damage' and 'liability' make it a comprehensive one? Below are some details of my insurance.

Basic Own Damage Premium = 9,532.00
Basic Liability Premium = 880.00
Compulsory PA cover to Owner Driver of CSI 200000(IMT-15) = 100.00
LLP to paid driver,cleaner & conductor (Endt. IMT- 28) No. of people: 1 = 25.00

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Is it the premium paid for 'own damage' and 'liability' make it a comprehensive one?
Thoma,
You are correct, Own Damage + Third Party Liability makes it a comprehensive insurance.
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I had gone ahead as per the advice and my policy document is attached. After reading many policies and settlement under this column with ICICI Lombard, am a bit skeptical.
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Is this alloy part of the standard vehicle or added aftermarket ?

If this is part of standard vehicle then it should be covered.

If this alloys is added later, then unless you add it as an endorsement in Non-Electrical Accessories part you would not be covered.
It is part of standard equipment which came as OE for Indica Vista Limited ed.
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Sorry for being a novice on insurance.

I got my insurance free from the dealer as part of the existing offer at that time, so I never inquired about what type it is of, assuming that the dealer do the insurance for all customers equally. How do I identify whether my insurance is third party or comprehensive?
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Thoma,
You are correct, Own Damage + Third Party Liability makes it a comprehensive insurance.
@thoma: Marlon's answer is correct. But I have two simple points to make.
1. Third party insurance for a car typically costs about Rs. 1200 (I did this for one of my cars a few months ago.)
2. Only 'nationalized' insurance companies can offer TP insurance.

Hope that helps in some way.
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@thoma: Marlon's answer is correct. But I have two simple points to make.
1. Third party insurance for a car typically costs about Rs. 1200 (I did this for one of my cars a few months ago.)
2. Only 'nationalized' insurance companies can offer TP insurance.

Hope that helps in some way.
SUN,

All companies offer TP cover. (Im assuming nationalized means PSUs)

And the why go for only TP cover unless your cars 25 years old.

In case of accident, if the customer has TP insurance, all the cost towards repairs are paid by customer whereas in comprehensive the company pays except depreciation etc
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Hi all,

Can I transfer my no claim bonus from my old car to new car without selling the old car? Both the cars are insured by Bajaj Allianz.

Please help guys.
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Can I transfer my no claim bonus from my old car to new car without selling the old car? Both the cars are insured by Bajaj Allianz.

Please help guys.
IMO it cannot be done. You can transfer the old car NCB to the new car only when the old car is sold.

Just get it cross verified by Bajaj, if they do it then this will be new to me.
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