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Old 9th February 2010, 09:52   #886
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From what I understand , benefit of TP Insurance is that the company pays for any compensation, since he didnt have TP, he will have to pay any damages out of his pocket, if he took insurance later on, that company wont pay for an old offence.
Ok, but, how do I make him pay? Do you think I should proceed with the court?
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Who is insurer?
Iffco tokio insurance. So that means I have to bear 50% of the rubber cost? And can I claim warranty from Garware Sun films?
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Iffco tokio insurance. So that means I have to bear 50% of the rubber cost? And can I claim warranty from Garware Sun films?
I don't think so, as the accident is not a part of warranty.
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Chola Protect

Well Chola is the only company till now who has the information related to their special product online.
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Ok, but, how do I make him pay? Do you think I should proceed with the court?
aargee,

You can file your case in the MACT (Motor Accidents Claims Tribunal) with the rider and owner of the M80 as the respondents.

If your damages are only abour INR 2 K I don't think its worth your while to go after this legally. You will be out of pocket more than this to even file with MACT. This is the practical truth of it.

No chance to get any other Insurer other than your own insurer, that is if you have a comprehensive insurance, involved in this.

The Criminal Case (based on your complaint to police) will take its course and most likely the driver will get a fine and go away with it. But still he will have to take the trouble of going to the court and waiting there etc which hopefully will be a lesson for him to be more careful in future.

Best Regards & Drive/Ride safe

Ram

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Just for common gyan:

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Insurance coverage is for one year only. All insurance companies follow same rule.
There used to be a time when GICs used to provide insurance for 10 to 12 years Yes thats true. I bought an used Bullet from Psycho and that bike came with such an insurance policy, iirc it was from New India, and the policy predates Psycho's ownership too! Policy was generated in 1990 or so i guess.
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There used to be a time when GICs used to provide insurance for 10 to 12 years Yes thats true. I bought an used Bullet from Psycho and that bike came with such an insurance policy, iirc it was from New India, and the policy predates Psycho's ownership too! Policy was generated in 1990 or so i guess.
That's a old story now they don't have any such product.
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There used to be a time when GICs used to provide insurance for 10 to 12 years Yes thats true. I bought an used Bullet from Psycho and that bike came with such an insurance policy, iirc it was from New India, and the policy predates Psycho's ownership too! Policy was generated in 1990 or so i guess.
Adding to what Sankar said above,

A little more for Commn Gyan!

That is correct. In 1990s that type of policy (10 years) was available, mainly to coincide with the life time tax cycle of the Bikes.

If I remember correctly Long Term Cover was only available for TP with OD Coverage to be renewed annually.

All GIC subsidiaries had this policy, but each of them implemented this experimentally in different states (National for example did it in Karnataka Region only).

I am told that it has been discontinued sind de-nationalisation.

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I am buying a new car. I also have an old car for which I get 50% NCB on its insurance. What is the process of transferring the NCB to my new car? What will happen to the insurance of old car if I want to keep it for some more time? Will its insurance revert to normal rates? Or is it mandatory that I must sell my old car to claim NCB on my new car?
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Need some help fast,

One of my team memebers ford ikon met with an accident, the car was standing behind a bus waiting for the bus to move and he got hit from behind by another speeding bus, the impact was so severe that the car was pushed into the bus infront and the rear and the front are completely smashed, Now when we went to the PS to register a case they said that in case of total loss we will only get a depriciated amount and not the IDV, this car is a 2003 model and sufferes very poor resale value, even if we get some money it might be a depriciated amount on the market value and so we have also registered a case for 3rd party damage claims. The motor vehichle inspecter has put a note that the car is a total loss and not fit for the road, the ford A S S also said the same, Now i need some suggestion from you all, i heard some things i need to know if they are true.
  1. In case of accident even if its a total loss we get only a depriciated amout even if the IDV was higher.(IDV here is 2.42)
  2. In case we claim a 3rd party claim as well this amount gets further reduced and both the insuring parties come in concenses and pay a joint amount
Need to know how much time dioes it take for the whole process to end, he wants to book another car and wants to use this money as the D/P

Pramod
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aargee,

You can file your case in the MACT (Motor Accidents Claims Tribunal) with the rider and owner of the M80 as the respondents.

If your damages are only abour INR 2 K I don't think its worth your while to go after this legally. You will be out of pocket more than this to even file with MACT. This is the practical truth of it.

No chance to get any other Insurer other than your own insurer, that is if you have a comprehensive insurance, involved in this.

The Criminal Case (based on your complaint to police) will take its course and most likely the driver will get a fine and go away with it. But still he will have to take the trouble of going to the court and waiting there etc which hopefully will be a lesson for him to be more careful in future.
Thanks for the reply; Sorry that I'm checking this late as I hoped that no one would respond. Thanks though.

Well, I'll get away from the case for the mere money; but what about the FIR I filed? Shouldn't I go to the RTO? What about the AR? Without these proofs how will the case move to the court? The other guy didn't even have an insurance at that point in time, so I assume he would be paying to all my expense out of his pocket right? Am I assuming something here? Help me understand pls?

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Need some help fast,

One of my team memebers ford ikon met with an accident, the car was standing behind a bus waiting for the bus to move and he got hit from behind by another speeding bus, the impact was so severe that the car was pushed into the bus infront and the rear and the front are completely smashed, Now when we went to the PS to register a case they said that in case of total loss we will only get a depriciated amount and not the IDV, this car is a 2003 model and sufferes very poor resale value, even if we get some money it might be a depriciated amount on the market value and so we have also registered a case for 3rd party damage claims. The motor vehichle inspecter has put a note that the car is a total loss and not fit for the road, the ford A S S also said the same, Now i need some suggestion from you all, i heard some things i need to know if they are true.
  1. In case of accident even if its a total loss we get only a depriciated amout even if the IDV was higher.(IDV here is 2.42)
  2. In case we claim a 3rd party claim as well this amount gets further reduced and both the insuring parties come in concenses and pay a joint amount
Need to know how much time dioes it take for the whole process to end, he wants to book another car and wants to use this money as the D/P

Pramod
Pramod,

I am answering this on assumption that the Ikon has a comprehensive insurance for IDV 2.42 Laks.

You have to file your claim with your insurance company immediately. You have to get copies of FIR etc latter to complete your claim formalities latter on. If its a customer friendly company, they will tell you what to do iro the police formalities etc.

Your Insurance Comapnay may decide to make a claim on the other vehicle (the one which hit from behind) to recover the money they pay to you. Like-wise the insurer of the Bus in front will make a claim on you/your insurer for the damages sustained on the rear of the bus.

Your insurance company will pay you the IDV as the vehicle is a total loss. Since they have accepted your IDV they are obliged to pay you that.

They may offer you some cash deals as well,. That is lump sum amount plus you get keep wreck/salvage and do what ever you want with etc etc.

On IDV if they apply a pro-rata monthly depreciation or not I am not too sure (depending on how many months of current insurance period has expired).

Depending on the time taken to get the copy of the Certified FIR etc it may take some time, again based on which insurance company its insured.

Best Regards & Drive/Ride Safe

Ram

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Thanks for the reply; Sorry that I'm checking this late as I hoped that no one would respond. Thanks though.

Well, I'll get away from the case for the mere money; but what about the FIR I filed? Shouldn't I go to the RTO? What about the AR? Without these proofs how will the case move to the court? The other guy didn't even have an insurance at that point in time, so I assume he would be paying to all my expense out of his pocket right? Am I assuming something here? Help me understand pls?
There are two cases here.

1. Criminal Case for driving a vehicle rashly and negligently (with or without insurance)

2. Third Party Property Damage - Damage to your bike

The first one - its the duty of the Police Station which registered the case to refer it to the competent court with in a set time. The cour will serve the notice on the driver and the Public Prosecutor will prosecute him as and when it comes up for hearing. He may be fined for this as there is not human injury here.

The second one - This can be filed either in a MACT or in a Civil Court to try and get a compensation either from the owner, driver , insurer of the offending vehicle either severally or jointly. You have initiate action on this. You have to go get all papers like Accident Report, FIR, Copies of the DL of the Driver and then engage a lawyer to file the case in either of the above. For all this you will be out of pocklet. Sometimes an ambulance chasing lawyer might take it up on your vakalat, usually if the money/compensation is likely to be big

Here I don't see that happening. All this might take at least two - three years depending on the Civil Court/MACT you will have file this.

For driving without insurance and negligently the fellow will get his punishment in going to the court several times on recept of summons from the court and the fine he will pay. That will serve the justice in principle in some manner

I think you need to let go here. Remember we are all driver/riders here!

Best Regards & Drive/Ride Safe

Ram
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There are two cases here.

1. Criminal Case for driving a vehicle rashly and negligently (with or without insurance)

2. Third Party Property Damage - Damage to your bike

The first one - its the duty of the Police Station which registered the case to refer it to the competent court with in a set time. The cour will serve the notice on the driver and the Public Prosecutor will prosecute him as and when it comes up for hearing. He may be fined for this as there is not human injury here.

The second one - This can be filed either in a MACT or in a Civil Court to try and get a compensation either from the owner, driver , insurer of the offending vehicle either severally or jointly. You have initiate action on this. You have to go get all papers like Accident Report, FIR, Copies of the DL of the Driver and then engage a lawyer to file the case in either of the above. For all this you will be out of pocklet. Sometimes an ambulance chasing lawyer might take it up on your vakalat, usually if the money/compensation is likely to be big

Here I don't see that happening. All this might take at least two - three years depending on the Civil Court/MACT you will have file this.

For driving without insurance and negligently the fellow will get his punishment in going to the court several times on recept of summons from the court and the fine he will pay. That will serve the justice in principle in some manner

I think you need to let go here. Remember we are all driver/riders here!
Hi Ram, Thanks again for the reply. I've to put something to ask very practically here.

Point #1 - This could challenge asking how he was doing a rash & negligent driving? For which I need evidence (the AR & RTO) will come in handy here without which the case will never stand in the court; moreover the cops themselves will never take this to court without these proofs right?

Point #2 - Agreed with your opinion - I'll let go this guy here (as long as the charges are dismissed ASAP)

MODS - Pls let me know if I need to be opening a new thread for this & I'll be glad to do so.
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I am buying a new car. I also have an old car for which I get 50% NCB on its insurance. What is the process of transferring the NCB to my new car? What will happen to the insurance of old car if I want to keep it for some more time? Will its insurance revert to normal rates? Or is it mandatory that I must sell my old car to claim NCB on my new car?
You need to sale your old car to some one in the family to get the NCB letter from the insurer.

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Need some help fast,

One of my team memebers ford ikon met with an accident, the car was standing behind a bus waiting for the bus to move and he got hit from behind by another speeding bus, the impact was so severe that the car was pushed into the bus infront and the rear and the front are completely smashed, Now when we went to the PS to register a case they said that in case of total loss we will only get a depriciated amount and not the IDV, this car is a 2003 model and sufferes very poor resale value, even if we get some money it might be a depriciated amount on the market value and so we have also registered a case for 3rd party damage claims. The motor vehichle inspecter has put a note that the car is a total loss and not fit for the road, the ford A S S also said the same, Now i need some suggestion from you all, i heard some things i need to know if they are true.
  1. In case of accident even if its a total loss we get only a depriciated amout even if the IDV was higher.(IDV here is 2.42)
  2. In case we claim a 3rd party claim as well this amount gets further reduced and both the insuring parties come in concenses and pay a joint amount
Need to know how much time does it take for the whole process to end, he wants to book another car and wants to use this money as the D/P

Pramod
1. True statement but how do you calculate the IDV is also important. If the IDV has been reduced every year by 10% to 15% then there has to be no problem in getting the IDV.

2. 3rd party claim will not pay for the car loss.
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