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Old 26th November 2011, 10:54   #76
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Suzuki Vs Volkswagen: Arbitration process begins at London International Court!


" SMC has begun the arbitrary process at the London International Court. On the other hand, VW claimed that they were against ending the agreement since the firm believes that SMC’s threat to enter into arbitration was rather baseless. SMC’s Executive Vice-President, Yasuhito Harayama mentioned that the process of arbitration could take up to two years and the company has given a green signal to move forward."



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VW Brings Noise, Suzuki Stays Zen!!!

"Feuding auto makers Suzuki Motor Corp. and Volkswagen AG weren’t talking to each other Wednesday at the Tokyo Motor Show."

At Tokyo Auto Show, Volkswagen, Suzuki Couldn't Be More Different - Japan Real Time - WSJ
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Volkswagen says court decision on Suzuki not expected until 2013!

"Volkswagen, which faces arbitration brought by Suzuki to end their partnership, said the London court handling the proceedings won't make a decision before 2013.

The German automaker said in its annual report published on Monday that it "considers the claims to be unfounded and has itself filed counterclaims."

Hideki Taguchi, Tokyo-based spokesman for Suzuki, said he hadn't seen the report when contacted for comment."



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VW can't overturn Suzuki's GTi trademark, EU court says!

"Volkswagen Group can't overturn a trademark for SWIFT GTi granted to Suzuki Motor Corp. by the European Union's Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market, the EU's General Court said.
"There is no likelihood of confusion between that trademark and the earlier trademarks 'GTI' held by Volkswagen," the Luxembourg-based court said in a statement.
Volkswagen will review the ruling and consider an appeal to the region's highest court, the EU Court of Justice, said Eric Felber, a spokesman for Volkswagen in Wolfsburg."


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Suzuki confident of dissolving partnership with VW
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The agreement with VW is already terminated," said Yasuhito Harayama, Suzuki's vice president of business development, during the company's annual shareholders' meeting in Hamamatsu, Japan. "Thus, VW does not have the legitimacy to keep on holding Suzuki shares... We are in arbitration in the UK for the return of these shares.
"We are confident that we will be able to report good news," Harayama added.

The partnership fell apart after Suzuki claimed VW had not provided technology that it had promised as part of the agreement.
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Arbitration hearings will be held in London in the spring of 2013, a source said
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I think VW behaved like an superior in the partnership. Did they thing that Suzuki would meekly accept decisions by VW? Not sure if Nissan encouraged VW to do something similar.
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Volkswagen drops appeal in "GTi" dispute with Suzuki.

The General Court of the European Union said in March that the Suzuki version could not be confused with its own high-performance Golf GTI, which it had trademarked in Germany and other international markets.

The ruling came when the two companies were embroiled in a separate arbitration battle over whether Volkswagen may be forced to divest its near-20 percent stake in Suzuki, bought for 1.7 billion euros ($2.2 billion) as part of a broad alliance agreed more than two years ago.

A VW spokesman said on Saturday that the automaker had dropped the appeal, confirming an earlier report in the German daily newspaper Die Welt.




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VW is not liklely to gain any benefit from a 20% stake in Suzuki when the Suzuki management is hostile (as has been evident) to it. In their biggest market (India) Suzuki is in the short and medium term going to continue to loose market share while VW would gain market share (starting from a smaller base) - though not at the cost of each other but due to and inspite of inceased competition.

VW has technological and economic strength that is far greater that Suzuki but if Suzuki ambitions are limited to short and medium terms then and focused on Indian and Japan markets only - that too mainly in the small car segment - then they may not benefit from the partnership with VW. But if they look at greater market spread and consolidation then the platfrom offered by VW on a global scale along with the technology access is unmatched.
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If Suzuki didn't find any "interesting" technology in VW, it's probably because they weren't looking. Else, stuff like DSG, turbo-diesels, direct injection petrols and more would be hard to miss, wot?
Suzuki can source the above mentioned technology from current partner fiat.Twin clutch Transmission is available from Fiat(DCCT developed by FPT).(DSG gearbox is not developed by VW it belongs to Borg warner and initially licenced to VW).A full range of Turbo-Diesels can be sourced from Fiat(One of the worlds best when it comes to turbo diesels).Direct Injection petrol engines too can be sourced from Fiat.Some interesting techs are there with VW and i dont think VW will share those techs with partners(Quattro,FSI,W Engines).

link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox
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I guess VW would have figured our that Suzuki does not have the wherewithal to make any dent with the Swift in its core European markets where GTi is in demand . Suzuki is a motor company with limited ambitions so no wonder its potters around while losing market share steadily . Licensing tie-up with Fiat is no solution especially since Fiat itself is in a iffy situation and IMO has a questionable commitment towards India ( Ratan Tata had lamented about the lack of new Fiat launches and rightly so , how many new cars have been launched by Fiat in India ? ) - there is a world of difference between equity tie-ups and licensing tie-ups , Suzuki should have come to the negotiating table , driven a hard bargain behind closed doors rather than going ballistic in public . If Toyota and BMW choose to collaborate , Suzuki is too puny not to tie-up with one of the biggies. Fiat tech tie-up is not the cure for Suzuki's steady slide

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-in-italy.html

Further proof that Fiat cannot be expected to be Suzuki's knight in shining armour given the unprecedented pressures that it faces in its home market. No new model from Fiat in the Paris Motor show is indeed big news !
Thus Suzuki has to wage a lonely battle to protect its turf. India is a market which is graduating from being a hatchback market to something more - the monthly trends are pretty loud that it is moving into a territory where Maruti has little or no presence.
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Further proof that Fiat cannot be expected to be Suzuki's knight in shining armour given the unprecedented pressures that it faces in its home market. No new model from Fiat in the Paris Motor show is indeed big news !
Thus Suzuki has to wage a lonely battle to protect its turf. India is a market which is graduating from being a hatchback market to something more - the monthly trends are pretty loud that it is moving into a territory where Maruti has little or no presence.
In the short term, all Suzuki needs is Fiat engine technology. It doesn't collaborate at car levels.

In the long term Suzuki does need to partner with someone bigger (maybe MB?). But VW was not giving anything to Suzuki (why Suzuki had to renew partnership with Fiat) and their interests were more in getting small cars from Suzuki.
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In the short term, all Suzuki needs is Fiat engine technology. It doesn't collaborate at car levels.

In the long term Suzuki does need to partner with someone bigger (maybe MB?). But VW was not giving anything to Suzuki (why Suzuki had to renew partnership with Fiat) and their interests were more in getting small cars from Suzuki.
Absolutely, VW was planning to use small car tech from Suzuki to capture market share in what is Suzuki's main market. Suzuki does not need VW in India and cheap small cars is not what VW does. Fiat can supply the necessary engines and Suzuki can keep growing.

Suzuki can tie up with Fiat-Chrysler and some stage to develop MPVs and CUVs, something that is popular around the world. Fiat's current focus is on USA, where even a small market share is big money. Investing in India is pretty low priority because of low sales and preconcieved notions about the brand. Suzuki didn't need the VW diesel technology, it would just make their cars complicated and unreliable, the MJD is here to stay.
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VW, Suzuki exploring options to resolve legal battle - revive of cooperation efforts is also being explored!

VW and Suzuki would still complement each other very well.

Senior executives on both sides, including Suzuki President Osamu Suzuki, are involved in the effort to reach an agreement.

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