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Old 12th July 2011, 09:25   #31
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The more I read about the Roomster, the more I feel convinced that it might somehow be a success in India.

It shares the same platform and components with the Fabia. So manufacturing the Roomster here will not at all be a problem. In fact, Skoda can actually price it below the Fabia. Also, the fact that it will be promoted in the Indian market as a mini-MPV is quite compelling. And given our penchant for people carriers, this car could indeed sell.

The cargo version, called the Praktik, could sell well too as a striped down version. Imagine Skoda competing with Tata and Mahindra in the LCV segment.

However, the length of 4,214 mm could be a problem, and the styling may not be to the likings of most. IMO, the Roomster would either sell or not sell, not middle grounds for Skoda here.

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Old 12th July 2011, 09:58   #32
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According to my info, the small car from Skoda will be based on Up (upcoming new small car from VW) to maintain the cost in parallel to competition.
As they are doing with Skoda Sedan (upcoming Notch back of fabia based on Vento platform).
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Dealer information can be the least trusted info one can get.
My dealer (who is more of a friend), mentions, he would rather have the information on new cars from people like us. At least its reliable .

The Roomster, as VB-San correctly pointed out, may not be cheaper than the Fabia.
Agreed, there is a car, that is about to be launched, thats cheaper than the Fabia. Only, it may not be based on the Roomster platform.
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The additional 6th gear in an MT is quite useful during long runs on the highway. The sixth gear is geared quite tall and allows the engine to run at a lower RPM while cruising at higher speeds. As a result there is lower NVH at these speeds as the car feels much more relaxed. Also it helps achieve better FE. In the city I doubt its utility, but out on the highway it helps. I find the 6th gear on my Laura TSI quite useful. Even at speeds in excess of 160 kph, the engine feels very relaxed. Of course it goes without saying that the gear throw has to be slick and accurate, otherwise it can be a burden on the driver.
Do you know the 5th gear in Laura MT TDI 110hp is taller than Yeti's 6th gear? And it does not have drive ability issues, wiser choice of ratios.
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Yeti also comes with the 170hp version of the same 2.0 engine, see here: Skoda Yeti 2.0 TDI 170hp 4x4 Elegance 170 hp - Car Specs - Performance, Engine, Comfort, Weights, Security, Photo Gallery , though it is unlikely to come here. A cheaper variant with 110hp version is expected.
I too cannot see how we can expect a Yeti variant and not have an associated engine or transmission change.

Since we are not going to get the 170, that means we must get the 110 if there is to be a lower price.

What else gets knocked off in the process will be something to find out only at launch.

As it is, the current Elegance would have been perfect even without a DSG if it came with at least an option to add the Bluetooth/Phone preparation and the MDI. Dealers in Bangalore and Goa promise to get back to me on the implications of doing it myself, but they never do.
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Do you know the 5th gear in Laura MT TDI 110hp is taller than Yeti's 6th gear? And it does not have drive ability issues, wiser choice of ratios.
I guess the torque from the 2.0 CR TDi allows them to do that in the Laura . Yeti being a 4x4 SUV (expect heavier loads) would probably benefit from the grunt from the shorter geared 4th and 5th gears, and the 6th would help in relaxed cruising. Plus the gear shift is sweet, makes one shift to sixth just for the heck of it.
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I guess the torque from the 2.0 CR TDi allows them to do that in the Laura . Yeti being a 4x4 SUV (expect heavier loads) would probably benefit from the grunt from the shorter geared 4th and 5th gears, and the 6th would help in relaxed cruising. Plus the gear shift is sweet, makes one shift to sixth just for the heck of it.
Yeti= 320nm
Laura MT110= 250nm

Yeti comes with shorter gearing to help it in offroad conditions.
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Skoda Rapid is a confirmed launch later this year. There are pics of them being tested around Pune all over the internet. I seriously doubt Octavia Rider will be launched now, considering the Octy brand is now discontinued and Skoda apparently plans to revitalise it as the next-gen Laura in 2013.

Some folks (Swanand?) were mentioning Skoda will launch a small sedan to compete with Honda's Brio called the Youngster. Is that not one of the 5 models planned for India?
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Heard the same about a small hatch, which will be the entry level Skoda below Fabia. This could be around 3.4-4L and be a very decent competitor in the hatch space. Anyone has more info about this please share since this is the biggest segment in our market.


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Skoda Rapid is a confirmed launch later this year. There are pics of them being tested around Pune all over the internet. I seriously doubt Octavia Rider will be launched now, considering the Octy brand is now discontinued and Skoda apparently plans to revitalise it as the next-gen Laura in 2013.

Some folks (Swanand?) were mentioning Skoda will launch a small sedan to compete with Honda's Brio called the Youngster. Is that not one of the 5 models planned for India?
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Some folks (Swanand?) were mentioning Skoda will launch a small sedan to compete with Honda's Brio called the Youngster. Is that not one of the 5 models planned for India?
A small correction. Its not a small sedan. The reports said that Youngster could be the small hatch positioned below the Fabia. Skodaís branding team need to get a special mention for coming up with such innovative names
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My thinking is just opposite yours, car dealership staff are the people i least trust. Reasons-

[*]They have commercial interests to take care of(for example-if they tell you a 170hp Yeti DSG is coming for the same price next month, would it be feasible for them to clear current stocks and their recent sale) Classic example of Ghoda & Ghaas ki yaari.[*]They are not really as well informed as they pretend to be, as dealerships are never passed on information in advance and sales executives have no interest in what they are doing(compared to online bloggers).
The first point is quite valid. But I cannot imagine my dealer lying to me when I am already an existing customer and he knows I won't be buying another car from him. If I already own a Yeti 140bhp, any sane person would have no inhibitions telling me about an upcoming model, knowing that he has done business with me already.

Your second point sort of contradicts your first point. If executives had no interest anyway, they wouldn't be "lying in order to clear old stock". They do have interest, and they do lie. But lying only helps when you want to attract a new customer. Lying to an old customer makes no sense. Online blogs run on speculation. I am quite sure that a carmaker would rather inform their dealerships about upcoming cars first, and then move on to leaking the news on the internet.
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Not true. It is a 4 door vehicle with a utility van kind of styling. The Yeti styling infact is a derivate of Roomster. I doubt if it will make any business sense in India.
Well if you are so particular about technical accuracy, the Roomster is a five-door.
But that was not the point. If you have seen the Roomster/Praktik in Europe, it is basically a two-seater with a cargo hold. Much like the erstwhile Maruti Omni Cargo. It is tough to tell how it would do in the Indian market, but considering its design as a cargo vehicle or even if it comes with rear seats, it has to be priced below the Fabia if Skoda wants to attract customer attention.
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Well if you are so particular about technical accuracy, the Roomster is a five-door.
But that was not the point. If you have seen the Roomster/Praktik in Europe, it is basically a two-seater with a cargo hold. Much like the erstwhile Maruti Omni Cargo. It is tough to tell how it would do in the Indian market, but considering its design as a cargo vehicle or even if it comes with rear seats, it has to be priced below the Fabia if Skoda wants to attract customer attention.
Not much on the technical accuracy. I have seen the Roomster, and it is available outside Europe as well. See my earlier comment below on the styling (very much aligned to what you said). Even in European markets, the Roomster (as a MPV) is more expensive than the Fabia, and is priced slightly below the Yeti. My comparison is on similar engine / trim levels. I donít think they will undervalue the product specifically for India. Itís great if they decide to give it a go in India, but the pricing could be anywhere between 7 to 10 lakhs.
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Roomster got a panel van kind of styling. And it is not smaller than Fabia. If I am correct, it was actually the styling template for the Yeti.

OT: Your Yeti review is up?
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The first point is quite valid. But I cannot imagine my dealer lying to me when I am already an existing customer and he knows I won't be buying another car from him. If I already own a Yeti 140bhp, any sane person would have no inhibitions telling me about an upcoming model, knowing that he has done business with me already.
Whats the guarantee you won't post that info on Team-BHP and share it with 65,000 odd bhpians? (not to mention countless non member visitors)

Most times the new launch info is kept confidential even among dealer staff. Only the top management and sales team leaders are given such info. The salesman at the lowest level is generally clueless about the model he is currently selling, expecting him to know about future upcoming models is too much to expect IMO.
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Not much on the technical accuracy. I have seen the Roomster, and it is available outside Europe as well. See my earlier comment below on the styling (very much aligned to what you said). Even in European markets, the Roomster (as a MPV) is more expensive than the Fabia, and is priced slightly below the Yeti. My comparison is on similar engine / trim levels. I don°Įt think they will undervalue the product specifically for India. It°Įs great if they decide to give it a go in India, but the pricing could be anywhere between 7 to 10 lakhs.



OT: Your Yeti review is up?
Yup, it's priced above the Fabia in the West. But maybe they could bring the price down by manufacturing it domestically and cutting down on a few "luxury" features, like they've done on the Yeti?
IMO, it won't sell at all if priced above the Fabia, unless it triggers a revolution in the Indian car buyers' minds...lol..

P.S. (OT), No, not yet. The car's hardly been driven a 150km. And I've got exams on top of that. I think it'll be up sometime next week. =D

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Whats the guarantee you won't post that info on Team-BHP and share it with 65,000 odd bhpians? (not to mention countless non member visitors)

Most times the new launch info is kept confidential even among dealer staff. Only the top management and sales team leaders are given such info. The salesman at the lowest level is generally clueless about the model he is currently selling, expecting him to know about future upcoming models is too much to expect IMO.
Nobody but the manufacturer can provide guaranteed information on a new vehicle or upgrades. So all we can do is speculate.
But I do think dealers would be the first to know about these developments.
P.S. I was given this info by the GM of the showroom.
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