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Old 19th October 2011, 21:10   #181
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production of Maruti Suzuki India’s flagship model Swift has started today

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Climate for business houses is significantly better in Gujarat. Majority of auto giants are looking Gujarat as their next investment hub.
So was manesar and gurgaon at one point of time, that's why industries were setup there.

Look at the situation now, things can change over a short period of time.

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It is not guaranteed that to days atmosphere will be same for 20 years. In fact the industrial atmosphere changes after every election. Nokia in Chennai is also facing frequent labour unrest. These are all common factors with labour issues. The talks should go on and compromise on both side for the betterment of both employees and management.
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It is not guaranteed that to days atmosphere will be same for 20 years. In fact the industrial atmosphere changes after every election. Nokia in Chennai is also facing frequent labour unrest. These are all common factors with labour issues. The talks should go on and compromise on both side for the betterment of both employees and management.

That's the reason manufacturers try to spread out their facilities when they want to expand (Ford, Tata, Mahindra, etc..). They try their best NOT to put all their eggs in the same basket. Only a few of them like Hyundai, Toyota have single location facilities till now. They have experienced labor issues as well and hopefully there is/was something (government support, etc.) that helped them out during that time which made them hang on to the same location.

Coming to Maruti, it's better if Mr.Osamu Suzuki is quite cornered this time (VW issues + Universal recession + India is the ONLY Suzuki market + Dealer pressure will start mounting). Suzuki has made enough money and its time he relents to sort this ASAP. The strike is already into months and the Gujarat plant will take years.
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It is not guaranteed that to days atmosphere will be same for 20 years. In fact the industrial atmosphere changes after every election. Nokia in Chennai is also facing frequent labour unrest. These are all common factors with labour issues. The talks should go on and compromise on both side for the betterment of both employees and management.
Thats a proven fact indeed.Marimalai Nagar and Sriperimbudur are also a little bit disturbed. So was Halol recently when there was a strike at the GM plant.But obstinacy and stubbornness rule supreme at Manesar and Gurgaon for MSIL. And also for Honda Motorcycle and Scooters Ltd. The Hyundai and GM India unrest was contained soon.
As you say who knows, maybe the obstinacy and stubbornness can rule supreme after some years in the present calm and conducive industrial belts.
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As with all the matters (petty or huge) in our Mera Bharat Mahaan, it can be easily observed (by the various news reports) that there is some politics involved behind this. Government in India, whether state or central just don't seem to care about any matter (or in fact they care too much about their vote banks that they don't try to interfere in any matter when its in the earlier stages). If they take sides with labourers, they'll lose on future investments, if they take sides with management, they will surely lose their vote bank. We all have seen this happened in Singur and now its Haryana.
P.S.- I also feel that no one is right all the time, there must be some genuine concerns of the labourers otherwise why they'll put their jobs at risk as ultimately they are the ones who suffers most from shutting down of plant.
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Manpower goes up at Maruti's Manesar plant; strike continues
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Maruti Suzuki India on Wednesday said the number of workers on duty at its Manesar plant has gone up to 600, while talks brokered by the Haryana government between the management and striking employees are on to bring a solution to the 13-day impasse. "Production at the company's Manesar plant was 200 cars. The number of workers at Manesar also went up to 600 today from 400 yesterday," the company said in a statement.
A Maruti Suzuki India (MSI) spokesperson claimed these are workers who did not join the strike.

At the Gurgaon plant, the company produced 1,650 vehicles today, it added.

MSI had to suspend production at Gurgaon plant for two days last week due to non-availability of the components from Suzuki Powertrain India Ltd (SPIL), where workers are also on strike in support of colleagues at MSI. SPIL supplies diesel engines and transmissions to MSI.

"In all, Maruti Suzuki manufactured 300 Swift cars today, combined from Gurgaon and Manesar plants," it said.

The company said talks resumed this morning between the management and workers in the presence of Haryana labour department officials after it broke down yesterday.

"Talks between the company management and the striking workers were revived today. These talks are being facilitated by the Haryana government," the company said.

Talks are still going on at the time of filing this report.
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Some actual information on the Maruti Suzuki Policies that had fueled the anger among the employees,

Since the strike in 2000 in the Gurgaon facilities, the management introduced stringent measures. In the Manesar plant, the standing orders for workers list 103 types of “misconduct”. Among these are “spending too much time in the toilet” and “chatting”. Workers waiting in queue for lunch in the canteen are told not to talk among themselves because they may get “distracted” from their tasks.

In a shift, the workers have two seven-and-a-half-minute tea breaks and 30 minutes for lunch (or dinner). The time for the breaks may be reduced. “This does not leave me time to go to the toilet, change my clothes, run to the canteen that is 450 metres away and get back on the job before the belt starts running again,” Kumar says.


You can read the full article @ Maruti’s Modern Times clash
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2 x 7:30 and 1 x 30min break. Come on. no wonder the workers are striking. If they expect Japanese standards, better give Japanese pay.

Pay slip of the employee is minus rs 3800, he owes the company money? Lol!!!! what was MSIL thinking?


This is if the article above is taken at face value; knowing the media, it can be skewed.
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My office colleague who had booked the new Swift and promised delivery in Feb 2012 end has now been told by the dealer of the increased delivery time. The new delivery date is end of April 2012 owing to the strike. he is thinking of cancelling the booking.
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I think many people will cancel there bookings. The waiting period was already so high and with this continuing strike it just keeps on growing. BTW who do you think would be the biggest gainer from this strike given that most number of Swift/Dzire's sold are diesel? Toyota perhaps? I am anticipating slightly higher numbers for the Etios/Liva this month around.
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I think many people will cancel there bookings. The waiting period was already so high and with this continuing strike it just keeps on growing. BTW who do you think would be the biggest gainer from this strike given that most number of Swift/Dzire's sold are diesel? Toyota perhaps? I am anticipating slightly higher numbers for the Etios/Liva this month around.
Actually in Tier II cities waiting for Liva Diesel is 4 months. In metros its almost 2 months. So the Liva D is not exactly available off the shelf either. But I guess Beat diesel may see its sales pick up further, as its available off the shelf.
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Actually in Tier II cities waiting for Liva Diesel is 4 months. In metros its almost 2 months. So the Liva D is not exactly available off the shelf either. But I guess Beat diesel may see its sales pick up further, as its available off the shelf.
Yea I totally forgot about BEAT. The people who have booked a petrol would find it rather easy and tempting to shift there bookings with so many new launches and options available now. I also read that prices for the Micra have come down. Will be really interesting to see how many of those famed 1L bookings do MSIL finally manages to hold. Specially in this festive season with car sales going down and discounts being offered everywhere.

Did you decide upon where to book your Liva from?
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I think many people will cancel there bookings. The waiting period was already so high and with this continuing strike it just keeps on growing. BTW who do you think would be the biggest gainer from this strike given that most number of Swift/Dzire's sold are diesel? Toyota perhaps? I am anticipating slightly higher numbers for the Etios/Liva this month around.
I think it would also depend on the customer's budget. For eg: someone who has booked a ZDi is more likely to move to i20/Punto/Polo which have similar features. Someone who has booked LDi/VDi is more likely to move to Figo/Beat/Liva.
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I think it would also depend on the customer's budget. For eg: someone who has booked a ZDi is more likely to move to i20/Punto/Polo which have similar features. Someone who has booked LDi/VDi is more likely to move to Figo/Beat/Liva.
+1

I had booked Zdi on 20th Aug and was promised delivery around Oct end or 1st week of Nov, but now they don't even have any vague idea about delivery date.

I am truly considering to cancel my booking and go either for i20 Sports or Polo.
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