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Old 2nd December 2011, 11:44   #31
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I am just waiting for this to happen. The demand will be very high once a barnd like Honda comes out with diseal cars. I am praying they dont highlight cost cutting like their japanese counterpart Toyota.
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I hope most switch to diesel, so that Petrol prices possibly come down and we petrol'lers can continue to use Petrol hatch. ;-)

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Looks juicy enough for even a sworn petrolhead like me. Peak Torque at 2000rpm (bye-bye turbo lag) and 120 horses from a 1.5 Diesel. Well done Honda.
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Hope this engine makes its way into the City's hood. With 30.5 kgm from 2000 RPM (as per ACI), it will fly! Both on the road and from the showrooms. Torquey performance and diesel economy coupled with Honda refinement and peace of mind ownership will definitely push it to the segment top.
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Old 2nd December 2011, 13:46   #35
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Would love a torquey diesel engine under the hood of an Accord.

Spent most of my driving with the two Accords I've owned in the US. Would like to continue that in India without worrying too much about fuel bills.

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The 1.6 might just fit in City and Civic both; but what do Brio and Jazz get?
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Honda would do a great job if they reduce the capacity of this motor and plonk it into the Brio. It would be such a hit!
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Hold your horses guys about this engine getting into the Jazz, Brio etc.

If they can bring a 1.2 ltr diesel engine, that might go into Jazz etc., even then ?
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Jazz and Brio still seems to be a distant dream, may be by 2013 end or 2014.
Seems like Honda is also developing a smaller 1.4 L i-DTEC Diesel to power the Jazz and the Brio, and it will be unveiled by 2013.

Honda developing 1.4 Liter iDTEC diesel engine for the Jazz and the Brio! | IndianCarsBikes.in
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Better late than never for Honda. Their 2.2 diesel never came to India because of our 'poor' fuel quality. Back then, a diesel engine was not high priority for the high and mighty Honda. How times have changed.

Their small diesels will definitely reflect Honda's obsession with efficiency. Happy days ahead for Honda and its customers.
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Seems like Honda is also developing a smaller 1.4 L i-DTEC Diesel to power the Jazz and the Brio, and it will be unveiled by 2013.

Honda developing 1.4 Liter iDTEC diesel engine for the Jazz and the Brio! | IndianCarsBikes.in
Well thats a great news for hatch segment.
Thanks for sharing info.

It seems Honda played it in strategic way, coming after every competition with all diesel horses out in every segment.
Honda diesel launch may stir the Indian car scene and no doubt Honda has the ability to pull this easily and again give segment benchmarks.

I am all up to see Honda diesels. Market expectations would definitely be high.
AND for sure Honda won't compromise with its product quality (like what Toyota did to compete).
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This is very good news. Hope to see the Diesels on road by late 2012. They had overpriced cars which people would not buy. After sane pricing, they are unable to meet the demand (tsunami, thai floods). Believe Honda is the only manufacturer who have booking backlog of 6-8 months for a petrol car (Jazz).

Honda and it's dealers are literally in firefighting mode. Their plant currently anyways not running to full capacity(parts scarcity). They can as well use this time to make the necessary changes to accomodate diesel assembly.
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According to the info i have, there is no 1.4 D. Its a 1.5 D and a 1.6 D. The engine specs are;

1.5L 16V DOHC L4
94 HP (70 KW)
230 Nm



1.6L 16V DOHC L4
148 HP (110 KW)
300 Nm


The Brio, Brio Sedan, City and Jazz will get the 1.5 Motor (in different states of tune obviously) and the Civic and Accord (??) will get the 1.6 D.

The Civic will be the first to get the diesel in 2012, while the rest will get it in 2013.

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The following official press release by Honda shows how serious and committed they are to achieve this self-pledged goal of "top-of-industry fuel efficiency in every vehicle class within three years".

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Honda Announces Revolutionary Next-generation "Earth Dreams Technology"

-New plan calls for top-of-industry fuel efficiency in every vehicle class within 3 years-

TOKYO, Japan, November 30, 2011 - Honda Motor Co., Ltd. today announced the outline for a revolutionary next-generation technology for automobiles called "Earth Dreams Technology."

"Earth Dreams Technology" is a next generation set of technological advancements which greatly enhance both driving performance and fuel efficiency at a high level, using as its base advanced environmental technologies to pursue the joy of driving unique to Honda. It is a series of measures in which efficiency of internal combustion components including engine, and transmission, as well as electric-powered motor technology, is further improved.

Through its implementation first in the mini-vehicle N BOX and gradually onto other vehicle models, Honda aims to achieve top-of-industry fuel efficiency for every category within three years, while simultaneously setting a timeline of 2020 to reduce by 30% CO2 emissions for all products sold worldwide, relative to emission figures for 2000.

Inspiration of the "Earth Dreams Technology" name:
"Earth Dreams Technology" is an expression for a set of technologies which takes into account both our need to protect the environment and our desire to provide a joy of driving.

Key features of "Earth Dreams Technology"

1. A gasoline engine which realizes top level driving performance and fuel efficiency.
2. A compact diesel engine which realizes the world's lightest body*1, top-of-class*1 acceleration performance and fuel efficiency.
3. CVT which combines at a high level the fun of driving and fuel efficiency.
4. A two-motor hybrid system which realizes top-of-industry efficiency*1.
5. A high-efficiency, high output electric SH-AWD hybrid system which combines superior driving and environmental performance.
6. A compact, high efficiency electric powertrain for EVs.
Summary of key features

1. Gasoline engine which achieves top-of-industry driving performance and fuel efficiency

By enhancing Honda's original VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control System) technology to thoroughly improve thermal efficiency and minimize friction, a combination of high output and fuel efficiency was achieved. Further, a new engine series employing a new structure for higher expandability was developed.

By gradually renewing the engine starting with the mini-vehicle N BOX, Honda aims to utilize this technology to achieve top-of-industry output and fuel efficiency in every vehicle class within three years.

A wide range of engine classes including the 660cc, 1.3L, 1.5L, 1.8L, 2.0L, 2.4L, and 3.5L classes will feature the technology.

[ 660cc class engine ]
Employs DOHC and VTC (Variable Timing Control) to improve intake efficiency. Further, the compact combustion chamber realizes high thermal efficiency.

By shortening the bore pitch compared to the present engine models and reducing the thickness of the cylinder block and camshaft, engine weight is reduced by 15%*3 and fuel efficiency is improved by 10%*3.
[ 1.3 to 1.5L class engine ]

Employs VTC, direct injection technology and the Atkinson cycle using the DOHC, VTEC technologies as the base.

Extensive friction reduction measures are implemented.

[ 1.8 to 2.0L class engine ]
Employs direct injection technology and the Atkinson cycle using the DOHC, VTEC technologies as the base. Further, implementation of VTC and high-capacity EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) to both the intake and exhaust ports realizes significantly reduced friction.

For the 2.0L class hybrid vehicle engines, use of an electric water pump eliminates the need for a belt in the auxiliary device and contributes to a reduction in friction. The VTC system allows fuel-efficient driving in various driving styles.

[ 2.4L class engine ]
Based on the DOHC and VTEC technologies, it employs VTC and direct injection technology and implements extensive friction reduction measures.
Standalone engine features 5%*3 improvements in fuel efficiency and output as well as a 10%*3 improvement in maximum torque compared to the previous engine.

[ 3.5L class engine ]
Employs new valve train mechanisms and direct injection technology in the SOHC, VTEC, VMC systems to improve by over 10%*3 of fuel efficiency and 5%*3 of output, relative to the present standalone engine model.

2. A compact diesel engine which realizes the world's lightest body*1, top-of-class*1 acceleration performance and fuel efficiency.

Through optimizing engine rigidity and combustion pressure, an aluminum open deck for the cylinder block was enabled in this top-of-industry lightweight*1 1.6L class diesel engine.

By downsizing from the present 2.2L engine and extensively reducing mechanical friction in each section, a friction level equivalent to present gasoline engine models was achieved.
Optimized thermal management system thanks to improvements in the cooling system reduces CO2 output by over 15%*3.

Employment of a compact, high-efficiency turbocharger and weight reduction in the reciprocating sliding section realizes a sporty and nimble ride.

3. CVT which combines at a high level the fun of driving and fuel efficiency.

Three CVT structures for mini, compact, and mid-size vehicle classes are newly developed to be adopted for a variety of engine models.

Reinforced belt is used to realize a structure for which a wide ratio range can be set.
Implementation of analysis technology over the contact behavior between the belt and pulley, and a high-precision hydraulic control system allows for continual optimization of hydraulic pressure to the pulley under a variety of driving conditions, contributing to improved fuel efficiency.

Use of an electronic oil pump to realize an idle stop system with high response contributes significantly to improved usability and fuel efficiency.

"G-Design Shift", a new coordinated control system for shift transmission, throttle, and hydraulic control responds quickly to driver demands and realizes an exhilarating, sporty drive with superior acceleration.

In the mini-vehicle class, a control mechanism and innovations in axle placement to reduce the engine size lengthwise, while a reduction in parts by simplifying the transmission casing structure helps realize a lightweight and compact body.

For the compact and mid-size classes, in addition to the reductions in size and weight, transmission efficiency was greatly improved by expanding the ratio range to achieve fuel efficiency improvements of 5%*3 and 10%*3 compared to the conventional CVT and comparable 5ATs, respectively.

4. A two-motor hybrid system which realizes top-of-industry efficiency*1.

A two-motor hybrid system featuring top-of-industry efficiency*1 enhancing driving performance and reduced CO2 emissions has been newly developed.

Special lithium-ion battery and charger is employed to enable mounting on plug-in hybrid vehicles.

Mid-sized vehicles equipped with this system are scheduled to begin production, starting with the plug-in hybrid model in 2012 and the hybrid model in 2013.

Three driving modes allowing for top-of-industry efficiency*1 for various driving environments were developed; an "EV driving mode" for urban environments, a "hybrid driving mode" using electricity generated by the motor, and a "engine-connected driving mode" where the engine and tires are mechanically connected during high-speed cruising.

Combination with a high-output 120kW motor allows for superior environmental performance and driving enjoyment.

5. A high-efficiency, high output electric SH-AWD hybrid system which combines superior driving and environmental performance.

A new hybrid system, electric SH-AWD, was developed for large-sized vehicles. By combining a 3.5L, V6 engine with this hybrid system, acceleration equivalent to V8 engines, as well as fuel efficiency equal or superior to in-line 4-cylinder engines were realized.

An electric 4WD system with independent 20kW+ motors on both sides for the rear wheels combines a 7-speed dual clutch transmission system with a built-in 30kW+ high-efficiency motor with the engine.

By mounting a high-performance lithium-ion battery and optimally controlling the front and rear motors, a new hybrid system with high fuel efficiency and output was realized.

By mounting two independent motors in the rear and employing a newly developed bilateral torque adjustable control system, incredibly tight cornering just like driving "on-the-rail" is realized. With this mechanism, Honda strives to provide a stable ride for various driving environments.

6. A compact, high efficiency electric powertrain for EVs.

Thanks to the high efficiency coaxial motor, low-friction gearbox and electric servo brake system, the system realizes the highest electrical consumption capability in the world*1, meeting the required AC consumption rate of 29kWh/100mile(116MPGe) as set forth by the United States.

A traveling distance of 123 miles*2(LA-4mode: unadjusted) or 210km*2(JC08 mode) was achieved thanks to the mounting of a high capacity lithium-ion battery.
When using the 240V U.S. electric source, a full charge takes less than 3 hours. (From the time a low-charge signal is lit till full charge)

By offering three driving modes (SPORT, NORMAL, ECON), the driver can freely select from a number of options to meet the needs of various driving styles such as power-saving or sporty drive.

*1
Honda internal research (as of November 30, 2011)
*2
Honda calculations
*3
Compared to Honda products
Source - Honda, Honda plan calls for best fuel economy in every segment within three years
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Article in ZigWheels:
Honda's new diesel engine unveiled| Zigwheels.com

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As for India, the new 1.6 litre i-DTEC is bound to find its way under the hood of the Honda City which will help the mid-size Honda ramp up considerably in the sales department due to the demand for diesel cars in India. Also, a downsized version of the 1.6 litre i-DTEC engine should be on the cards for the Honda Jazz and Brio, which will help Honda gain a considerable chunk of the diesel hatchback market share in India.

The four pot motor develops 120PS of power at 4000 rpm and 299Nm of torque at 2000 rpm.
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Updates - Honda now starting to test 1.2 liter diesel for Brio and 1.4 liter diesel for City.

The article talks of a launch date of early 2013.

Clipping of Mumbai, 09 January, 2012: DigitalEdition

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Honda had revealed a 1.6D engine, and had mentioned about a smaller Diesel in the pipeline. But is there any concrete info about the displacement of the smaller oil burner? Some say its gonna be 1.5D, many say 1.4D, some say its gonna be 1.2D! Any insight guys?
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Mate it with a good low cost (read CVT) and you have a real killer (not just a winner).
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