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Old 7th December 2011, 18:36   #121
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@Ashley2,

Most of the dealers post their sales in common ERP/ SAP system shared with the OEM marketing as they need info of the customer base to track them for future promotions/ bussiness/ warranty details etc.
Hence, the dealers have to post their customers details along with all the necessisty data. Which is generally not done completely, on the very same day of the sale.
However, most of the OEM's are insisting the same now a days.

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That's again internally.
I was speaking about the data available for Public(Siam)
The only area where this will be available is the individual region offices where they track the sales from RTO's in their regions.
Only from this the OEM's itself will track the competition's dealer sales data.
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Can someone help me understand why the SX4 despite diesel is hardly selling compared to other peers?
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Can someone help me understand why the SX4 despite diesel is hardly selling compared to other peers?
May be attributed to the fact that SX4 is competing with Vento, new Verna, Linea that are far newer models with better features being offered. A value for money buyer would be tempted to not to look at German engg marvel Vento or very dashing Verna. Dated looks of SX4 adds to their lower sales.
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This info can be understood from any of the OEM sales guys at their dealerships, if you interact with them for a while.
Their day starts and ends with these figures. Its really funny to see them running every where to meet the month end targets!

BTW, are you from TATA Sales team, by any chance?
No offences, just curious to know.
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It was a wild guess. The Nano figures & the fact that you drive a Manza made me think that way.

I work for FML.
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^ Sorry, but the split up between petrol & diesel variants is not available. Only the manufacturer (internally) knows what the ratio is. If it helps, 80% of the new Swift bookings were for the diesel.
Thats very much like the Bajaj Auto Ltd statistics of the 1980's. Their motorcycle sale figures would include the m 50 (discontinued soon after launch in 1983) + m 80 + KB 100 sales. And these figures would be tallied by observers with the sales of:
(1)Escorts Ltd. Rajdoot 175 + RX 100 + RD 350
(2)Ind/TVS Suzuki AX 100 + AX 100R (they included the TVS 50, 50XL sales in their moped sales figures and not as motorcycles)
(3)Hero Honda Motors Ltd CD 100 and
(4)Ideal Jawa Yezdi 175 + 250/Classic + 350
(5)Enfield India Ltd( later again Royal Enfield) Enfiled 200/Mini Bullet+ Bullet 350 sales.
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Mitsubishi Outlander - Market Dud! Why?

Got a great product but won't budge to the diesel market here in India. They won't plonk a 2.2 Di available internationally. Won't put in two extra kiddie seats and charge a wholesome 20Lacs for a petrol.

No wonder their chart for the product sales is slowly becoming microscopic...! Feel sad for this Japanese Tristar :(
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"The report stated that November sales in the passenger vehicle segment, which includes cars, utility vehicles and vans, rose eight per cent, the SIAM data showed. Utility vehicles sales made the highest gains of 32 per cent, while van sales declined eight per cent. Commercial vehicle sales were up 35 per cent (66,264 units) in the month, with leader Tata Motors posting a 29 per cent growth (39,645 units), Ashok Leyland 67 per cent (6,474 units) and M&M 46 per cent (11,241 units). All sub-segments, except the buses, did well. Overall auto exports grew 38 per cent in the month, with the highest growth seen in two-wheelers (41 per cent) and the lowest in commercial vehicles (20 per cent). Passenger vehicle exports rose 34 per cent, according to reports."

http://www.wheelsunplugged.com/ViewN...x?newsid=12128

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WOW!
I know forum rules say I need to be as detailed as possible with whatever I post here but the only thing I can say is... WOW!!!
This is the most detailed set of analysis I have ever seen... I mean even a layman would understand what you guys have put up there!
Super Job!

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Can someone help me understand why the SX4 despite diesel is hardly selling compared to other peers?
That may be because the price of the top end variant inches close to the more modern rivals. Also the strike effect at Suzuki plant. May be the diesel engines would have been diverted to Swift and Dzire duo.
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Hi,
Nice analysis. Graphical representation is always easier on the brain :-).

Woould it be possible to break up the numbers by Fuel type? Say P, D and other (LPG/CNG/Hybrid/Electric). That could give more insight. I am just wondering if a Diesel/P-LPG Eon will break the Suzuki stranglehold. I also agree with the PoV that MSIL is seeing a one time spike after the strike ended. Time will tell.

Fiat is a big mystery to me. I have a Linea Emotion Pk Diesel for almost 18 months now, and I wonder how they could screw up the sales of THIS CAR!!! I had some problems with A$$, some trouble with timely spares. I have a dealer who has separate SAs. Nothing bad enough to explain the flatline sales. I can think of two things:
1. People are very satisfied with selling engines. Maybe the Engine division needs to get spun off, and somebody needs to be accountable only for Car sales (maybe this is already the case, I dont know).
2. The only real grouse I have is that I feel like the owner of a Tata taxi when I go to the Service Center. I dont know a better way to describe it. No offense meant, I am good friends with many Tata car owners, but just that I dont want to be one or feel like one.
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Can someone help me understand why the SX4 despite diesel is hardly selling compared to other peers?
Highly underpowered. Runs on the same 1.2 l diesel engine that powers Swift D and Dzire. Had read some months ago that Maruti is sourcing 1.6 l engine for it. Add to it the dated look as well.
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Highly underpowered. Runs on the same 1.2 l diesel engine that powers Swift D and Dzire. Had read some months ago that Maruti is sourcing 1.6 l engine for it. Add to it the dated look as well.
SX4 is no way highly underpowered.

First, It's a 1.3 l engine and not 1.2 l.

Second, even though it's a same engine from Swift D and Dzire D, it has variable geometry turbo producing 90 bhp instead of swift's fixed geometry turbo producing 75- some bhp.

It produces same power as Linea D and Manza D, so no way highly underpowered.

There are other reasons like competition to better snob valued cars (VW Vento, Hyundai Verna, Skoda Rapid) with better interior and features. Not to mention, all other competitors in this segment have latest cars where as SX4 is at least 7 to 8 years old design.
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SX4 is no way highly underpowered.

First, It's a 1.3 l engine and not 1.2 l.

Second, even though it's a same engine from Swift D and Dzire D, it has variable geometry turbo producing 90 bhp instead of swift's fixed geometry turbo producing 75- some bhp.

It produces same power as Linea D and Manza D, so no way highly underpowered.

There are other reasons like competition to better snob valued cars (VW Vento, Hyundai Verna, Skoda Rapid) with better interior and features. Not to mention, all other competitors in this segment have latest cars where as SX4 is at least 7 to 8 years old design.
IIRC SX4 was launched in 2006. Its not that old and outdated. In fact a lot of people like the aggressive stance.
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IIRC SX4 was launched in 2006. Its not that old and outdated. In fact a lot of people like the aggressive stance.
Thanks for correcting. But again, it hasn't seen any major design updates other than grill change and some minor stuff. Looks are very subjective but look at the competition and suddenly SX4's design looks very old.
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IIRC SX4 was launched in 2006. Its not that old and outdated. In fact a lot of people like the aggressive stance.
SX4 was launched in MAY, 2007
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