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Old 9th January 2012, 14:28   #181
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2. The 1.0 l ti-vct engine is actually more powerful than the 1.5 ti-vct in the fiesta. It produces more torque but most importantly peak torque of 170Nm (much more than the fiesta's 146 Nm) will be available from 1300-4500 rpm and will also produce 200 Nm of torque on overboost.
In simple words this new engine will be quicker and faster than the fiesta engine and will also be much more frugal. I got all this info from a seminar that we had today. Also the engine has several high tech features like direct injection, turbo charging and variable valve timing aka ti-vct and is very very light.
Usually for the cars below 10L, the price difference between petrol and diesel engines with comparable capacity is about 80,000 Rs ex-showroom (I assume it is similar in the case of new Fiesta too, although I have not checked). That's probably because naturally aspirated petrol engines are far cheaper to manufacture than turbocharged common rail direct injection diesel engines.

If Ecosport is going to have a turbocharged petrol engine with all the electronics and software technology and more, will it not increase the production cost and thus reduce the price difference between petrol and diesel variants?
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Usually for the cars below 10L, the price difference between petrol and diesel engines with comparable capacity is about 80,000 Rs ex-showroom (I assume it is similar in the case of new Fiesta too, although I have not checked). That's probably because naturally aspirated petrol engines are far cheaper to manufacture than turbocharged common rail direct injection diesel engines.

If Ecosport is going to have a turbocharged petrol engine with all the electronics and software technology and more, will it not increase the production cost and thus reduce the price difference between petrol and diesel variants?
Yes you are correct but since this is a 1 liter engine, the amount of materials required to produce it is also less. For eg. Less alumunium.

The price difference b/w petrol and diesel should remain the same ie. b/w 80000-120000.

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Saw the Ford Ecosport in flesh yesterday. Looks really good to see it in real life. I frankly was not very impressed by the pictures, but in real life, all the misconceptions that I had about the proportions of the car vanished when I saw it. Looks really good. Would love to have it in my garage The tyres on the show car were 205/55 R17. Tyres looked decent, but if they down size it, might look under-tyred.
Yes its better in flesh than in the pics. Tyres will be downsized for India by an inch or maybe two i guess. I am guessing rim size will be 16".

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Yes you are correct but since this is a 1 liter engine, the amount of materials required to produce it is also less. For eg. Less alumunium.
But isn't it more expensive to make smaller things stronger.
A engine with tiny strong components would need a lot more technology going into it that a engine that relies on thicker components.
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Some more update from my source in Ford......

The Ecosport displayed at teh Auto Expo is not a concept- this is exactly what the final version will look like (wow!) . The 1L eco boost will be priced around 8L and the Diesel arond 9 L, subject to the final trim levels.
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Guys, I heard from Harpreet Ford today that Ecosport is expected to be launched in Feb 2012? The sales manager was confident about the timeline, Is it possible? Any Guess ? But if ford is able to make it, It will dramatically change its numbers in INDIAN scenario.

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But isn't it more expensive to make smaller things stronger.
A engine with tiny strong components would need a lot more technology going into it that a engine that relies on thicker components.
And also, from long term reliability perspective, is it not better to obtain same power from a bigger engine vs a smaller engine? Would a high power small engine remain as good as a 1.6L 100-120BHP engine after, say, 50000km? Technically?
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And also, from long term reliability perspective, is it not better to obtain same power from a bigger engine vs a smaller engine? Would a high power small engine remain as good as a 1.6L 100-120BHP engine after, say, 50000km? Technically?
Or as the wise man once said. No Replacement for Displacement.

But I do like the EcoSport and wish it a lot of success.
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Or as the wise man once said. No Replacement for Displacement.

But I do like the EcoSport and wish it a lot of success.
Exactly my thoughts! I initially thought that 120 bhp from a small 1 litre engine will be a nighmare inside the city with huge amounts of turbo lag. But the wide spread of the peak torque of 170 Nm between 1300 rpm and 4500 rpm put me to ease. Hope Ford prices this one in the 7 Lakhs range for both the petrol and diesel. That would be like a dream come true for me. 8L OTR for the Diesel ABS version will have me sold for sure
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Exactly my thoughts! I initially thought that 120 bhp from a small 1 litre engine will be a nighmare inside the city with huge amounts of turbo lag. But the wide spread of the peak torque of 170 Nm between 1300 rpm and 4500 rpm put me to ease. Hope Ford prices this one in the 7 Lakhs range for both the petrol and diesel. That would be like a dream come true for me. 8L OTR for the Diesel ABS version will have me sold for sure
Not only there is peak torque of 170 Nm from 1300-4500 rpm. This engine produces 200 Nm torque on overboost.

And reliability wise there is no difference whether you use a 120 bhp 1.6l engine or a 120 bhp turbocharged 1.0l engine.
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Approximately, the side of the Ecosport's body is at half the height of the car's wheel. Now the wheel size is 205/55 R17. So upon calculating the size of the wheel and dividing it by 2, we get a height of 272 mm. Which is pretty massive for even an SUV. But certain functional components of the car might have been placed lower, thus reducing the ground clearance. Even then , getting in and out might give the customers a proper SUV feel IMHO.
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Exactly my thoughts! I initially thought that 120 bhp from a small 1 litre engine will be a nighmare inside the city with huge amounts of turbo lag. But the wide spread of the peak torque of 170 Nm between 1300 rpm and 4500 rpm put me to ease. Hope Ford prices this one in the 7 Lakhs range for both the petrol and diesel. That would be like a dream come true for me. 8L OTR for the Diesel ABS version will have me sold for sure
The diesel variant could be around 11L OTR bro, and ofcourse the petrol will be lower. The fact is that Ford cannot afford selling this any less because it could deter people away from Fiesta.

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Had been to Cauvery ford today to take delivery of a friend's figo. Their sales manager told me that the ecosport launch is expected to be around February 2012.
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Guys, I heard from Harpreet Ford today that Ecosport is expected to be launched in Feb 2012? The sales manager was confident about the timeline, Is it possible? Any Guess ?
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So that two dealers confirming/hinting at a Feb 2012 launch which is quiet a surprize. most of the discussion on the forum has been around the launch in mid 2012. Can someone please dig out more info on this!

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Some more update from my source in Ford......

The Ecosport displayed at teh Auto Expo is not a concept- this is exactly what the final version will look like (wow!) . The 1L eco boost will be priced around 8L and the Diesel arond 9 L, subject to the final trim levels.
Himanshu can you also get some info on the launch dates? On the prices i was hoping for more like a 7L ex-showroom for the petrol given that it will have small car excise benefits. Heck even the honda city now sells at 6.99 ex showroom!
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Approximately, the side of the Ecosport's body is at half the height of the car's wheel. Now the wheel size is 205/55 R17. So upon calculating the size of the wheel and dividing it by 2, we get a height of 272 mm. Which is pretty massive for even an SUV. But certain functional components of the car might have been placed lower, thus reducing the ground clearance. Even then , getting in and out might give the customers a proper SUV feel IMHO.
You would be happy to know and i personally verified this, there are no hanging components/parts in the ecosport's underbody, everything is protected by a thick metal plate. The only thing that you can see once you bend down and look at the underbody is the torsion beam of the rear wheels. Even the exhaust/muffler is flushed in.
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Approximately, the side of the Ecosport's body is at half the height of the car's wheel. Now the wheel size is 205/55 R17. So upon calculating the size of the wheel and dividing it by 2, we get a height of 272 mm. Which is pretty massive for even an SUV. But certain functional components of the car might have been placed lower, thus reducing the ground clearance. Even then , getting in and out might give the customers a proper SUV feel IMHO.
Hi aravind.anand, can you please clarify how you arrived at this figure? I might be completely off but here goes:
If you take the radius of the wheel to be 17 inches, that converted to cm is = 17*2.54 = 43.18cm = 431.8mm!

Again, I could be way off. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Hi aravind.anand, can you please clarify how you arrived at this figure? I might be completely off but here goes:
If you take the radius of the wheel to be 17 inches, that converted to cm is = 17*2.54 = 43.18cm = 431.8mm!

Again, I could be way off. Please correct me if I am wrong.
17 inch is the diameter of the wheel, not radius.
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