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Old 13th April 2012, 18:44   #61
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While people are very quick to blame on diesel engines or lack thereof, lets not forget that top sellers like the Alto and the Hyundai i-10/Eon/Santro never had or have a diesel engine from day 1.

Honda being an expert in the field of small cars and small motorcycles failed to offer a product in this segment despite have a huge portfolio of small cars and engines available.
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I think it may be about starving technology to under value the company so that the Indian counterpart quickly exits at a low valuation. After all to not bring a diesel in for such a prolonged period when they have diesels in the rest of the world is odd. Once the JV breaks ... press the accelerator !!! The only point against this argument is the huge discounting offered over the last year for various models and the BRIO launch. But then those are short term actions and no systemic plan to take on the market is visible unlike Toyota Bharat.

About the point that top sellers like Alto etc took off without diesel. One must also remember that the Alto/M800 phenomenon was in a different day and age where petrol prices didn't bite as badly and the Indica was still settling down. Secondly Alto etc are VFM offerings backed by VFM brands. That has carried it till today and may carry it in the future. Also the lack of good diesels in that band. The same cannot be said for other car segments.
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Just saw this piece of news on ET sometime back-

Usha sells stake in Honda Siel to Japanese partner for Rs 180 crore - The Economic Times


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While people are very quick to blame on diesel engines or lack thereof, lets not forget that top sellers like the Alto and the Hyundai i-10/Eon/Santro never had or have a diesel engine from day 1.

Honda being an expert in the field of small cars and small motorcycles failed to offer a product in this segment despite have a huge portfolio of small cars and engines available.
This holds very true. Remember the example of the old Reynolds pen? They first brought out the re-usable ones and then stuck to "use and throw".

The 4P's still hold good.

Remember why the Japanese economy was down in the dirt because they were continuing to bring out quality products with long life, with customers deciding to not opt for a repeat buy, as the old product still had good life.

The old dictum of the business does not hold true in this era.

If a customer want a mediocre quality product at a lower price, you need to satisfy them aswell. Especially when you are aiming at the mass market.
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Shriram group finally exits the company formally.

Hope this move will help Honda to invest more aggressively and fast forward the launch of Automatics, Diesels and both.
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Its sheer shortsightedness on Honda's part to have not brought a diesel engine so far, while their other Jap counterparts have brought in diesels earlier. Low volumes is the only reason I see that the partnership ended. Look at TKML. Going strong. I'm wondering if HM-Mitsubishi will meet the same fate. Mitsubishi strategy doesn't seem to be aligned to capture the mass market, even though they have diesels. Mitsubishi should divorce HM and a killer combination would be a JV between Mitsubishi and Honda for India.

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Its sheer shortsightedness on Honda's part to have not brought a diesel engine so far, while their other Jap counterparts have brought in diesels earlier. Low volumes is the only reason I see that the partnership ended. Look at TKML. Going strong. I'm wondering if HM-Mitsubishi will meet the same fate. Mitsubishi strategy doesn't seem to be aligned to capture the mass market, even though they have diesels. Mitsubishi should divorce HM and a killer combination would be a JV between Mitsubishi and Honda for India.
Both the companies indeed have very good reputation in our country and its never too late for them. Honda should understand the fact that companies like Hyundai,VW and others are very aggressive in the market and can match Honda in almost every terms. Having diesel cars and value ridden pricing are like distinct advantages with them. USP of Honda used to be its forwardness in terms of technology and innovation. This particular advantage is missing today to justify the premium pricing attached. Tjets,TSis,Kseries etc means ivtec is no longer a great USP

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