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Old 2nd July 2012, 11:28   #16
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Finally the Govt wakes up to the realities. The SIAM initiative was mostly a eyewash considering there were no penalties clause and it was mostly voluntarily from the manufacturers. This does not help and isn't sufficient considering the lives of people is at stake.

Wonder what some of the so called premium but buggy manufacturers do when such a law comes?
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Finally the Govt wakes up to the realities. The SIAM initiative was mostly a eyewash considering there were no penalties clause and it was mostly voluntarily from the manufacturers. This does not help and isn't sufficient considering the lives of people is at stake.

Wonder what some of the so called premium but buggy manufacturers do when such a law comes?
Yes this SIAM initiative was long overdue. Unless someone representing the industry also chips in it was highly unlikely that the industry on their own would budge. Today in the news - a high level government meeting to frame proper laws to enable auto recalls. In conjunction with SIAM. Hope this leads to a logical, practical, fair and overall consumer friendly guidelines
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Old 2nd July 2012, 19:43   #18
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New auto policy will ensure safety of passengers

Key Takeaways :
- SIAM announces a voluntary vehicle recall policy(by consensus) - recommends govt to take action(what action is a ? I guess) on failure to recall despite "clear evidence".
- SIAM policy does not specify a specific punishment/penalty. However in case of non-compliance on safety issues it can be considered.
- SIAM has consulted the respective ministries & has not seen major opinion differences.
- SIAM is not opposed to a mandatory policy - but would however assess the govt's proposal when it comes.

- Only vehicles within seven years of manufacture to qualify.
- Minimum no of affected vehicles which constitute a recall is with the manufacturer.

- SIAM suggests rigor in Registration/Address maintenance to facilitate recall. (more work for Govt)
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Came across this news...

Experts slam voluntary auto recall policy

Going through the article, I feel, the policies are more manufacturer friendly than customer friendly. Yet another law in the place...for name sake!!!
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Panel probing the GM scandal recommends on recall policy.

Terms the GM iise as 'Corporate fraud' .

The committee has recommended that now the government should monitor recalls to randomly find out if the proper rectification is being done. To prevent such frauds in future, the panel has recommended measures including random check on samples from dealers, instead of manufacturing facilities. It has also suggested that the notification of COP date should be fixed by the testing agencies and companies should have no role in this. At present, the date of picking up samples for testing is decided mutually by the testing agency and the manufacturer, resulting in the possibility of collusion.

The panel has also recommended that COP process should begin from the start of production and this should be for the entire vehicle instead of confining it to auto parts. The committee has said that in case of non-compliance, the type approval should be withdrawn.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/24522712.cms
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Panel probing the GM scandal recommends on recall policy.
Terms the GM iise as 'Corporate fraud' .
This particular report is not about the recall policy as such.

The fraud mentioned in article is about the way GM as per report fooled the government agencies by sharing 'fixed' engines for emission testing completely knowing that their production engines does not meet the emission norms.

This is all together another level.
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Any further updates regarding this? Then 2012 dates are well past. I did hear something about crash testing rules from 2014 recently but nothing about recall rules.
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Government may soon make car recall mandatory for vehicles with manufacturing defects.
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The move follows India's largest ever recall of 1.14 lakh Tavera multi-purpose vehicles by GM, recently.
Pune-based testing agency Automotive Research Association of India (ARAI) will draft the provisions for recall of vehicles on various safety and technical parameters.

Over 3 lakh cars (over 10% of total vehicles manufactured in India a year) were recalled in the country for various technical defaults in the past one year by companies including Ford, Honda, Renault and Nissan. This is almost five times the number of vehicles recalled in developed markets.
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The recall policy under preparation will have stringent provisions including financial penalty and will cover all registered vehicles like ]passenger cars,two-wheelers and commercial vehicles.

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Default Auto manufacturers will finally have to recall cars with defects and flaws

Finally the Indian government is waking up to the mess created by auto manufacturers who act with impunity after the customer pays up and buys a vehicle from them. I have seen customers being at the mercy of these companies and their dealer staff if there is any quality problem surfaces in the car.

Well someone is finally waking up to the mess created by the high handed behaviour of auto manufacturers in India. In the team bhp community I have read multiple instances of agony faced by car buyers where companies palm off poorly assembled and manufactured cars to buyers.

These companies could get away with this because of the lack of any law / regulation to save the poor customer.

please read the link below for the detailed news which appeared in today's ET.

You would be surprised to see manufacturers like VW, Skoda etc have zero recalls in India. I have read many team bhpians complain about the quality defects in these cars.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/25400727.cms

Invite views / comments from senior bhpians about whether this can make a difference to the team bhp community and the auto industry overall in India.

Mods kindly merge this with other existing thread on this. I just saw another thread which talks about this topic.
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And as we discuss this, Chrysler issues a recall for over 25,000 cars in China. According to the company, there is a risk of fire due to short circuit in the electronic sun-visors.

Here is the link to the news article: http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/chrys...-1-778152.html

Mods may please shift the post if a more relevant thread exists.

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NEW DELHI: Automobile manufacturers have opposed the "mandatory recall" clause in the proposed Road Transport and Safety Bill.

The draft proposal says the national authority on vehicle regulation and road safety can order mandatory recall of vehicles if it receives 100 or more complaints about a particular defect in any vehicle model which could cause harm to occupants or road users. Government sources said the automobile lobby wants this proposal to be dropped and continuation of the present mechanism of "voluntary recall".

They said the private players have already submitted their objections. The updated draft bill will be placed before all state transport ministers and other stakeholders on Tuesday to shape the final Cabinet note on this legislation.

"Soon after the proposed draft bill was out everyone praised it. But once they went through the details, there were objections from different interested parties. It will be interesting to watch whether the road transport ministry sticks to its pro-commuter stand or succumbs to pressure of corporates," said S P Singh of Indian Foundation of Transport Research and Training, a Delhi-based think tank on transport related issues.

As per the proposed bill, the authority can also order recall if a model is non-compliant with the provisions of the proposed law. It also specifies that manufacturers whose vehicles are subject to a recall order would have to compensate buyers for the full value of the vehicle or replace or repair the defective vehicle with another vehicle of similar or better specifications.

Sources said some of the truckers and transporters bodies have also opposed the provision of having Highway Traffic Regulation and Protection Force claiming that such personnel would only end up harassing them.
Source: The Times of India retrieved on October 27 at 07:51 AM

The fact that the automobile manufacturers will oppose any measure to tighten the regulatory landscape is not uncommon. The question is how can we express our views /support for the relevant sections of the draft laws? Opinions on this question, and the topic is welcome.

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Source: The Times of India retrieved on October 27 at 07:51 AM

The fact that the automobile manufacturers will oppose any measure to tighten the regulatory landscape is not uncommon. The question is how can we express our views /support for the relevant sections of the draft laws? Opinions on this question, and the topic is welcome.
We can write to the official email id created for inviting suggestions from the public - rtsbill2014-morth@nic.in

I have already mailed them regarding bull bars. Maybe we all could write a similar mail supporting the recall rule.

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Wrote to rtsbill2014-morth@nic.in (provided on the Ministry's website) to frame a law for prohibiting the use of any kind of bull bars (front or back) on cars. This is an absolute nuisance these days. Even in case of a mild, low speed impact, it can prove deadly for pedestrians, especially older folks.

Hope they take note and do something about it.
Also, I guess we could connect with SaveLIFE foundation, to get this the relevant support from public. Came across them on the road safety episode of Satyamev Jayate.

http://www.satyamevjayate.in/road-ac...-savelife.aspx



Disclaimer: I am not associated with SaveLIFE in any way.
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Default Too Many Recalls: Side-effect of Competition or something else?

With so many recalls happening in the Automobile World, the Manufacturing and Sourcing Quality procedures of the Manufacturers has to be questioned.
Be it a faulty harness, or a failing rubber beading, from VW to Maruti, every other Manufacturer is recalling their cars now... which makes one wonder how could something this critical be wrongly implemented in the first place, or why something this timid was actually fiddled with.

Is it the cut-throat Auto market that forces Manufacturers to speed up their Processes and possibly lean down on Quality Time to ensure a speedy output?
Could it be the difference in Quality Standards and Working Conditions (Global/EU and Indian), that result in this disparity after implementation?

Or could it be an overdone PR Strategy?

Company A recalled their Hatch. They are so concerned about betterment, or that they are always improving.
They genuinely care bout their customers and are not afraid to acknowledge their mistakes.


Recalls certainly boom up the trending status of a car. Plus it gets the Customers to the W/S, which in turn could lead to higher sales there.

Thoughts?
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Complex & more sophisticated machines along with ruthless competition meaning delivering more with less is what would be my guess.

Also add the fact that every single short circuit now sees a million views in less than a day.
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Operational complexities, time lags before launching cars and cut throat competition are all reasons for the frequent recalls!!

Today, Maruti recalled 3600 Ciaz for probable clutch related issues.
Now, the car has just launched.

So many recalls from all major manufactures mainly indicated that the competition is not really letting them test new products exhaustively and leads to the recalls!!
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