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Old 12th June 2012, 17:14   #16
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actually IMHO HM has missed a trick here. The SFX even today has tremendous brand equity, and given its vintage, I'm sure that its tooling and dyes are already depreciated. what HM should have done is to get off their high horse, drop the price to about 15-17L, and offer this with a reasonable (note: i only say reasonable and not cutting edge) common rail diesel- say a 2.5L with FGT developing about 120ish horses and about 300 NM of torque. This beast would have flown off the showroom floors.

but then, its HM aint it.....so pigs may fly, but HM wont walk!
I second the above comment.. The Pajero SFX is one of the last true-blue Ladder-on frame traditional SUVs with fantastic suspension and 4wd, simple mechanical, few electronic gadgets and the evergreen macho, old school looks..

I, for one, would be really sad to see it discontinued, maybe the prices in the second hand market will drop after this. Am really keen to get one someday.

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Mitsubishi is slowly shutting shop in India. They have produced some good cars over the years. How I wish they would commit to the Indian market.
I think itís the other way around. Its (more than) about time that they get clear of these old models, and focus on the future. They missed bringing in one generation of the Lancer to India. At least now they should try to bring in newer models, and probably get the Montero locally assembled.
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I think itís the other way around. Its (more than) about time that they get clear of these old models, and focus on the future. They missed bringing in one generation of the Lancer to India. At least now they should try to bring in newer models, and probably get the Montero locally assembled.
+1 to that.

I think the time is right for them to move on to the future. Toyota did the same with Qualis/Kijang and brought home the Innova. I would like to see some good cars from Mitsu stable. Let's see whats in store for Indian customers.
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I, for one, would be really sad to see it discontinued... maybe the prices in the second hand market will drop after this.. Am really keen to get one someday.
For all you know, discontinuation of the Pajero might create a shortage and would increase the price. Grab it while you can.
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For all you know, discontinuation of the Pajero might create a shortage and would increase the price. Grab it while you can.
Sourcing spares will be an issue going forward, so doubt that's going to happen. AFAIK, the only vehicle that could achieve such a feat was the Toyota Qualis.

What will happen for sure is that the prices will drop even more in the second hand market, which might have been anyway impacted with the launch of Pajero Sport.

On a related note, all those who are planning to buy the existing model, wouldn't you be worried about the spare parts availability going forward?
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at the very least, HM could have purchased all necassary rights and at least badged the old Pajero as a HM product and still would have found takers. This is akin to Premier Rio - Zotye Nomad & Logan-Verito - Merc G Wagen-Sumo etc.

When we are able to suggest, not sure whether HM has any concerns on it
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Sad to see the legend put to rest.

In a way it makes sense. Outlander, Paj and Paj sport....3 SUVs all in the same price bracket.

Is HM so incompetent that they cannot take the DI engine from the PajSport and fit it into the Pajero? Even Premier has done more on the Rio.
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A Pajero at 12 lakhs, or even 15, is simply impossible.

1. It would completely kill the new Pajero Sport. Would anyone bother paying double for another Pajero? Then, the profit margins would be super-thin, if at all possible. Trust me, many manufacturers would rather sell lower volumes of a 25 lakh product than higher volumes with a 15 lakh product.

2. The Pajero still has a phenomenal amount of imported content.

3. HM-Mitsubishi don't have the scale nor the dealer network. Even if they priced the Pajero at 15 lakhs, sales really wouldn't shoot through the roof.

I'm all for manufacturers phasing out the old and bringing in the new. Believe me, I say this as a chap who loves older gen cars.

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Not at all. There are plenty of Pajeros on Indian roads, making parts supply a highly profitable business opportunity. Then, there are millions of Pajeros around the world, hence parts supply won't be an issue in the middle-term future at all.
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A Pajero at 12 lakhs, or even 15, is simply impossible.

The Pajero still has a phenomenal amount of imported content.

HM-Mitsubishi don't have the scale nor the dealer network. Even if they priced the Pajero at 15 lakhs, sales really wouldn't shoot through the roof.
If the foreign content is "indianized" and some accessories like "torch" are removed, dont you think a bare bones Pajero can come for 22 OTR ? Dies are old, Technology is old and maybe the mitsubishi engine can be replaced with an Indian one.

Regarding Dealer network, This could be used as a stepping stone for HM to build its dealer network. With Ambassador CS in the Offing, few more dealers should not hurt HM.

Thoughts ?
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^^^ For your info, HM dealers and HM-Mitsubishi dealers are completely separate. So, increase in one does not help the other. This is true for A.S.S. as well!

Sad to see the Pajero go. Not a fan of SUVs, but some machines earn their respect!
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Sad to see the real SUV coming to an end of life.
I don't know how many of you are aware that the spare part situation in Pune and Mumbai for Mitsubishi cars is really bad.
The A.S.S.'s are not able to get spares from HM in Chennai and the queue is piling up.
The spare part details of the new Pajero Sport had not arrived at the A.S.S. till end of May (and probably the same situation even now).
What would the A.S.S. do if there is some spare required for the new Pajero sport?
Sorry for the off-topic post.
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I just bought one. It has about 2000km on it now. That I bought one at this late stage, knowing that its production is about to end proves my appreciation for the vehicle.

But having driven it for 2000km, I can honestly say that the Pajero is well past is sell-by date and it makes no sense for anyone to buy this vehicle except for fanatics like me. You can't run a serious business targeting a vanishingly small population of unreasonable impractical wierdos.

The biggest drawback, as well understood, is the engine. But contrary to what most people think, the lack of horsepower is not the most serious drawback. While the ability to accelerate like a rocket from 140km/h is always useful, not having it is no great sacrifice, especially when cruising speeds here in the north where speed enforcement of 90km/h limits its pretty strict.

The more serious shortcoming is that the engine has a very narrow power band so it requires lots and lots of shifting which gets tiresome and fatiguing. The engine comes on strong around 1750 rpm and lasts till about 2750 rpm. It will rev above that, but there is little benefit in doing so apart from assuring that the next gear doesn't drop the engine below the power band. It can take throttle from 1500rpm but won't pull strongly till 1750. Thats about a 1000rpm power band and you need to row the box a LOT to keep the engine in that band. If the engine had more torque below 1500rpm, it would be a huge help in reducing shifting and driver fatigue. In my view, the vehicle's inability to operate at low revs in high gears is a serious short coming.

And then to have the vehicle sucking down fuel while making only sluggish progress really puts into perspective just how dated this engine is, and really truly how far a leap common rail technology has been.

What makes the fortuner, for example, really worthwhile is not that it can rocket around at high speeds, but that compared to the pajero, it can travel at the same speeds, with far far less stress and activity on the part of the driver, while sipping fuel in modest quantities. I find it impossible to recommend that anyone buy the Pajero over the Fortuner unless understand exactly what they are getting at what cost.

I am perfectly happy to put up with the weak engine. After all, I agonized over this aspect for a year and I made the decision with my eyes wide open, so I am not complaining or expressing buyers remorse.

I am only explaining how my experience with the vehicle shows just how much of anachronism it is and how its short comings are the cause of its demise.

I am personally happy with the vehicle because I wanted the best performance off road and that I have got.

Next year, I am going to have the diesel injection pump rebuilt by a diesel performance specialist in the US and also install a higher flow turbocharger to suit (not necessarily more boost, but rather greater CFM at the same boost. or maybe more boost too. its to be analyzed yet). Of course that will mean an increase in fuel consumption but performance should come up to fortuner levels before reliability suffers.

I have thought that if the Pajero had a common rail engine, it would still be a viable product in the market because its ride, handling, etc are all excellent. But more serious thought make you realize thats not true. a better engine wouldn't change that most people don't like the dated looks inside and out especially in comparison to the competition. Along with a CR engine, it would also need to come down to ~15 lacs. That doesn't seem like it would be worth the trouble for HM-Mitsubishi.

So thats the end of the line for the venerable old soldier.

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Harbir,

Your inputs are valuable and decision to go for the Pajero commendable. Many people convey their strong likes and dislikes - easy to do on a forum post. Very very few vote with their money and are willing to go for a non-traditional purchase decision.

The current Pajero is a tough buy for folks who need an allrounder vehicle or can only afford one x-use vehicle. It makes sense for folks who can afford to use it as a specialist vehicle, or who are lucky enough to stay close to nature :-)

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^^^ For your info, HM dealers and HM-Mitsubishi dealers are completely separate. So, increase in one does not help the other. This is true for A.S.S. as well!

Sad to see the Pajero go. Not a fan of SUVs, but some machines earn their respect!
I was suggeting HM to buy all rights for Pajero from Mitsubishi like what Mahidnra did to logan and Premier did to Nomad.

Let them launch the Pajero with a HM Badge like verito. Still it would fly off the door. A sale of 500 units per month is guaranteed.
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Very absurd. Hm-mitsu had one product which represented it's face in the Indian market and now it's going to die. Not sure if the new Pajero sport will ever attain so much popularity among the off roading crowd in it's entire life cycle in India.
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