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Old 9th February 2013, 17:13   #31
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Other than entry level Liva models in Petrol and Diesel, there is a tachometer in V and Vx.
When did they add a Tacho. in Diesel Variants ? I don't know of it !
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When did they add a Tacho. in Diesel Variants ? I don't know of it !
My bad, I meant to say diesel only has the entry level. Petrol has tacho in V and Vx. There is no V-Diesel.
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My bad, I meant to say diesel only has the entry level. Petrol has tacho in V and Vx. There is no V-Diesel.
I guess diesel comes in two variants - G & GD.
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I guess diesel comes in two variants - G & GD.
G is petrol and GD is Diesel variant. G(P) and GD owners have the option to add safety package, that adds ABS and Airbags, but nothing else. From V, one has the option for Tacho, ICE and Fog Lights etc.
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I guess diesel comes in two variants - G & GD.
G-D & G-D (SP) are the two diesel variants. The second one with Safety Package.
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I mean if you put a 90bhp (especially that 1.5, for which i have immense respect in terms of drivability) motor in a tin can, it will definitely go like stink.
Sometimes those "tin-can" perceptions develop looking at the thickness of the skin panels.

Having foil thin skin panels is not an issue. The real car lies inside. That real car, in case of the Etios is quite a well engineered one, otherwise you wouldn't get the structural rigidity thats so much required for an awesome handling (any body flex and the handling goes for a toss). The Etios is also known to hold up structurally with age. That's all that matters. When I say "Engineering", optimisation of weight, rigidity and usage of materials is much more complex than just over-engineering a product, in that respect nothing can beat the Japanese.



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The 'hot' and upcoming rivals manage to be safe, well-equipped, better quality and superbly engineered products (considering the Polo 1.2TSi & the Punto Abarth). The Liva 90bhp would just do fast unless the changes they bring about to the rest of the car are really a lot. I don't see any sense in pricing this a shade under 8-9Lakhs OTR.

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Yes those could be structurally over engineered, but when you look at electronics or the ability of those cars to withstand changes in their systems, you would think twice before paying money to buy those. Even in the US, VW cars are infamous for electronic glitches and the company mostly tries to pass those off as incorrect usage.

Regarding Abarth!! Less said the better. Let Fiat first setup its own distribution network first. There's always a buzz on Fiat products and when they finally hit the market, a decade is over. So any Fiat news is to be taken with many pinches of salt. Though love has strange ways, and am still in love with their cars.
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G is petrol and GD is Diesel variant. G(P) and GD owners have the option to add safety package, that adds ABS and Airbags
Yup I'd forgotten that! Had almost bought the GD variant in March 2012. Took the payment back from dealer before delivery. Feel happy about it till date!

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G-D & G-D (SP) are the two diesel variants. The second one with Safety Package.
Yup thanks. Hope they bring in atleast one more variant this time that's fully loaded.
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Sometimes those "tin-can" perceptions develop looking at the thickness of the skin panels.

Having foil thin skin panels is not an issue. The real car lies inside. That real car, in case of the Etios is quite a well engineered one, otherwise you wouldn't get the structural rigidity thats so much required for an awesome handling (any body flex and the handling goes for a toss). The Etios is also known to hold up structurally with age. That's all that matters. When I say "Engineering", optimisation of weight, rigidity and usage of materials is much more complex than just over-engineering a product, in that respect nothing can beat the Japanese.




Yes those could be structurally over engineered, but when you look at electronics or the ability of those cars to withstand changes in their systems, you would think twice before paying money to buy those. Even in the US, VW cars are infamous for electronic glitches and the company mostly tries to pass those off as incorrect
Structurally over engineered? I'm sorry, the VW Polo has got a Euro NCAP rating of 5 stars! Agreed the thin sheet metal used in the Etios siblings may be rigid but what about safety? All those electronics in the car are just to make it safer for the driver and its occupants, not to mention making them kinder to the environment as well. You put your money on such cars not just to have a fun drive but also it's ability to save your life when it goes wrong.

Yes electrical systems have their niggles, but they are a growing part of car building and Toyota must take a step forward with their incorporation. Cars earlier were mechanically unstable and over the years, their reliability has just increased with manufacturers slowly and steadily perfecting the art of building mechanically bulletproof vehicles, who better than Toyota to know that.

I've seen a crashed Toyota Etios at my local A.S.S and the sight was horrid and the car just seems like its outright dangerous.
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Structurally over engineered? I'm sorry, the VW Polo has got a Euro NCAP rating of 5 stars!

All those electronics in the car are just to make it safer for the driver and its occupants, not to mention making them kinder to the environment as well.

I've seen a crashed Toyota Etios at my local A.S.S and the sight was horrid and the car just seems like its outright dangerous.
What it the connection between Euro NCAP and Structural over-engineering. Lot of Japanese/Korean cars score 5 stars in Euro NCAP. Over engineering mostly deals with using more metal and reinforcements than required.

We are talking about a barebones performance car here, dont want electronic aids to do anything, apart from maybe the brakes (ABS). Besides on a front wheel drive layout, what electronic driver aids are required? Infact even if it was a performance rear wheel drive, the real fun is to switch the electronic aids off.

If one cant drive, one should not buy a high performance version of a car.

I have seen a crumpled Mercedes S class that looked out right dangerous. Visually one cannot make judgement looking at something.

Lets welcome the move Toyota is slated to make, it will probably also give push to the rally scene in India.
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Was nice to read the debate.

Well, coming back to the topic. One of my friend is in the market for a hatchback and she had visited Toyota showroom and was apparently told that the upgraded Liva is gonna be available for display on 10th of March. Let's hope that is true and we can get to see what are the exact changes that will be brought in.
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Mod Note : Please continue the Liva 1.5L TRD Sportivo Discussion in Our Official Review (Toyota Liva 1.5L (TRD Sportivo) : Official Review). Thanks

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Was nice to read the debate.

Well, coming back to the topic. One of my friend is in the market for a hatchback and she had visited Toyota showroom and was apparently told that the upgraded Liva is gonna be available for display on 10th of March. Let's hope that is true and we can get to see what are the exact changes that will be brought in.
That's already discussed & explained (along with a spy video) on the Etios official TD thread. Please do read thru!

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