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Old 17th August 2009, 00:06   #211
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Ford Fusion / Escort
Chevrolet Forrester / SRV / Aveo
Opel Vectra
Hyundai Terracan / Tucson / Elantra / Getz CRDI
Mahindra Armada Grand / Getaway
Tata Estate (The Sierra actually sold quite well)
Fiat Siena Weekend
Maruti Baleno Altura / Swift ZXi / SX4
Sipani All models
Haha. Funny post.

Ford Richa,
Any justifications for your classifications ?
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Old 17th August 2009, 00:18   #212
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Interesting thread.
the only companies with least flops are Honda & Toyota!! (will not consider Fiat in historic age, and Merce / BMWs for high end users)
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Hey whats the difference between maruti 1000 and Esteem?
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Hey whats the difference between maruti 1000 and Esteem?
Maruti 1000 had an 1.0 lit engine while Maruti Esteem with 1.3 lit MPFI mill.

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Maruti 1000 had an 1.0 lit engine while Maruti Esteem with 1.3 lit MPFI mill.
Esteem came with a carb first, not with MPFI first.
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Esteem came with a carb first, not with MPFI first.
Yes it came with 1.3 L carb producing 60 BHP , before got the punchy 87 BHP MPFI
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I would disagree with you Ivor, Finney.

First things first. A 'Flop Car' would be one that was rejected by the market. Plain and simple. In that case Fiat cars were a flop.

But if we are discussing a category called - 'Cars that deserve to be a flop', then Fiat cars are definitely not there.

I think that we should think more objectively. 'Flop' has a very negative connotation, hence I can understand the touchiness in a few of you. Being a flop according to me, does not automatically mean that the car was/is bad. It just means that the value proposition of the car was not communicated adequately / properly to the consumer. According to me the following cars were definitely a flop -

1. Standard 2000
2. Rover Montego (marketed, quite awfully I must say, by Sipani)
3. San Storm

To a large extent the following cars were flops too -

1. Fiat (all versions if you leave out the original hype; hope it turns around)
2. The Baleno (Till that magical U-turn done by Maruti)
3. Hyundai Elantra (pegging back, but still), Tuscon, Terracan
4. The Vectra (what a beauty and what a pity)

Cannot think of others. There were tonnes of cars earlier, but the old man (men, Rudra, Ram, Steer are you listening?) will be able to better educate us.

P.S. I am a Fiat owner, so dont jump on me! LOL
I think every one forgot the DOLPHIN a fibreglass car.
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Old 17th August 2009, 21:46   #218
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[quote=neoonwheels;364941]Following are cars that I think are flops (Depending on sales)

1. Maruti Esteem diesel
2. Maruti Zen diesel
3. FIAT Palio
4. FIAT Siena/Petra
5. Hyundai Getz
6. Hyundai Terracan
7. Hyundai Sonata
8. TATA Indica (Pre V2)
9. TATA Estate/Siera/Automobile
10. Maruti Versa[/quote
Forgot the Fibreglass blunder car the DOLPHIN which required heavy maintenance
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That's the Voyager, but couple of courier delivery guys use it. Also what abt the great monster jeep JONGA !!
JONGA was never sold in the market to customers from the showroom . All Jongas were army disposal and they were refurbished by the buyeres themselves. So you cannot say that Jonga was a flop vehicle.
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3. FIAT Palio ...
5. Hyundai Getz
9. TATA Estate/Siera/Automobile
Palio, Getz and Siera? Although not very successful but not quite flop IMO.

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In terms of sales:

1. Opel Vectra (The best looking Sedan to me till date)
2. SRV
3. San Strom
4. Terracan
5. Forrester
6. Mondeo
8. Camry
9. Petra D/Sienna
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Btw, was n't there a ZEN Diesel. I guess it didn't too many either
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Btw, was n't there a ZEN Diesel. I guess it didn't too many either
ZenD sold quite a few. If there is a comparison probably it sold more than a Getz
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the problem with this thread is that every individual has a different perspective about a "flop" car.

now when can we say a car is a "flop"?

ok, the vectra & sierra is a flop. but can the palio, getz & SX4 be called a flop? it has sold in decent numbers, maybe not as much as the swift or city. but i feel a flopped car is one which you rarely see on the road.

@ agbenny: i agree that the vectra is a looker. i was simply stunned when i had a TD of the car. it was truly a opel- a german car. such calm & relaxed was the car at speeds of 140 kmph. it was loaded with so much gadgetry that i cannot recollect even half of it. the car's solid build make you feel jap cars are made of tin foil. its really sad this car was not accepted.

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This is my list :

1. Opel Corsa Royale ( One of the best looking cars)
2. Opel Corsa Swing
3. Baleno Altura
4. Tata Indigo Marina
5. Sonalika Rhino !!!!
6. Sumo Grande
7. I know I invite many brickbats but to me i20 Petrol is a definite flop.
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