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Old 11th April 2011, 13:42   #286
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Looks like the discussion is about models that flopped. A lemon is typically a single unit that has so many problems that it is not fit for use, cant be repaired and must be scrapped..

eg. of a lemon is Varun Roy's Sumo.
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Premier 110 NE & 118 NE, Zen D, Daewoo Matiz (which did take a new avatar in form of Spark)

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  1. Fiat Uno
    Perfect Car ( sort of but her it was 96 and back then anything would look like Cameron Diaz on our 800 full roads) perfect size, perfect price.Sounds too good to be true?
    Unfortunately so it was. The story of Fiat in India is of missed opportunities. The spoon of success was at the tip of their mouth but unfortunately it disappered without a trace.

First of all they decided to tie up with PAL and set up shop in Kurla. Worse, they let PAL run the show. Labour trouble was waiting in the wings, Kurla went into lockout and customer confidence and patience soon started evaporating. Many couldnt wait any longer, cancelled and rightfully demanded their refund which PAL didnt bother paying anyway. Fiat wanted to step in and save the sinking boat but alas, PAL was in a long drawn and protracted battle with it other partner- Puegot!
Perfect recipe for a bollywood flick. The few cars that did emerge from the cash strapped PAL were available in a wide variety of colours-red or white!


That is not to say there werent faults with the product. The italinas in all their logic thought to power the indian uno with their acclaimed1.0 FIRE engine. Perfect ! They thought...good small engine for a nation obssesed with Fuel efficency. Somewhere along the way they forgot the need for an equally strong a/c to fend off the blast furnace indian summer. The orignal system they had designed wouldnt cool at all and so they had to retro engineer a system that could work. Well retro engineering never works and they lost valuable time and the intial lot of unos didnt even have A/c.


The new one had a huge Sanden compressor which sounded like a siren when on, was mounted on the cylinder head so it vibrated like a truck. Worse, in a mystery lost in time, Fiat had equipped the engine with the Weber carburateur that was NOT designed to take on an A/C ( unlike marutis mikuni). It was a single choke affair, had no a/c idle speed circuit, so the idle rpm had to be kept high to compensate for the a/c –the sideeffects of which were pathetic fuel consumption with a/c on and drivability /flat spot issues.


I shall go on..the initial ones didnt even have a temprature gauge, so the only sign of overheating ( for sure..because the wiring was done by apes) were a feeble light ( if it worked) and smoke from the bonnet. Lack of spares, their high cost,electrical issues,pathetic service attitude all gradually killed off the petrol version. FIAT steppd in finally with cash, more colours and better still improved the product with the mikuni carb ( it should have had this in the first place). But the damage had been done and it was too late to save it.


To be continued....
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Please define 'lemon' in the automotive context.

From what I know (and as condor has mentioned above ), 'lemon' indicates a vehicle with technical problems.

We seem to be debating car models which have been failures in the market (and not due to technical reasons).

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Ford Escort anyone?
And the Daewoo Cielo. I remember drooling over it whenever its ad used to air.

I know that the Daewoo Cielo was the most technologically advanced car in the Indian market when it was launched (MPFI for the first time). It definitely did not have any technical issues which could cause it to be labelled a lemon.

And I am also not sure, if the term 'lemon' can be used to cover an entire brand or model of cars : it probably is used only to refer to individual cars,which have the problems.

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Mods...Please change title to Flop shows of the Great Indian Auto Industry
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How about the Puegot 309? Even in those days, I think the number of cars they sold was countable on fingures.

Though, I believe, the car was technology well built and ahead of its time. Still, I am not sure the car can fall as a failure category.
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If you mean a list of India`s Edsels, here they are :

Ford Fusion
Opel Corsa, Corsa Sail and Corsa Swing
Honda Jazz
Maruti Versa (Though it spawned the high selling eeco)
Baleno Altura

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Can I add Chevy Forester
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How about the Puegot 309? Even in those days, I think the number of cars they sold was countable on fingures.

Though, I believe, the car was technology well built and ahead of its time. Still, I am not sure the car can fall as a failure category.
I wouldn't call the Peugeot 309 as ahead of its time. It was actually quite far behind its time. It was a model that was outdated in Europe and had proved itself in Africa. They got it and tried selling it here. But the discerning Indian customer just said no to it!
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A lemon refers to something that does not work

Every car manufactured must be having a lemon index(no. of defectives per say 1000 cars).

Maybe we can continue the discussion to list down which cars have a high lemon index
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Can I add Chevy Forester
I purposely kept out the ones above 10 Lakhs. If you want to add them to the Edsel Gallery too, then here they are :
  • Chevy Forrester
  • Hyundai Teraccan
  • Opel Vectra
  • Ford Mondeo
  • Octavia Combi
  • Mitsu Outlander
  • All the Volvo`s launched in India (Even by segment standards)
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I know that the Daewoo Cielo was the most technologically advanced car in the Indian market when it was launched (MPFI for the first time). It definitely did not have any technical issues which could cause it to be labelled a lemon.
Technologically advanced is not the same as reliable, ask any merc owner from this century. Cielo had the looks and the goods, but just didn't deliver on the reliability part.
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If M1000 was a lemon then there are many more that would be "bitter" lemon. Remember likes of NE118, Peugeot 307....
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Let's not forget the Rover Montego, Fiat Uno, Fiat Sienna
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After few years people will start same topic here on T-BHP again. So what are the contenders for that

Honda Jazz.
Chevrolet U-Va.
Mahindra Logan.
Hyundai Sonata.


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