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Old 13th April 2011, 04:00   #331
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Default Long forgotten Indian Cars !! Flopped cars in India

Everybody around is talking about Ford Figo and Ford Fiesta, Skodas, Hondas, Marutis, Toyotas, Hyundais etc

This thread is a tribute to those car manufactures who ruled Indian Roads with their cars and then these models were either replaced by newer ones or the company simply shut down.

Some vehicles our family owned in the past :

Premier Automobiles Ltd : <PAL>

Premier 1100D (Delite)

Premier 1100 President

Premier Padmini SAB

Premier Padmini Safari
(This one was the station wagon model designed by some French designer hired by Premier) Anybody got any info about this ??

Premier Padmini S1

Peugeot 309

Premier 118NE

Premier 138D

Premier Padmini 137D

Premier Viceroy (138D with a better engine)

Premier Sigma (Diesel Van -- still selling this)

Premier Roaster (Diesel dumpers and pickups -- seen these with Mumbai Municipal Corp.)

Premier RIO (India's cheapest SUV -- still in production)


HINDUSTAN MOTORS <HM>

Hindustan Ambassador Mk III and Mk IV

Hindustan Trekker

Hindustan Contessa (With Ambassador Engine)

Hindustan Contessa (with Isuzu 1.8l engine)

Sipani Automobiles India Ltd <SAIL>

Badal (3 wheeler passenger car with 175 cc engine)

Dolphin

Montana

Rover Montego

FIAT India

Fiat Uno (Petrol and Diesel)

Fiat Palio

Fiat Stile

Chinkara Motors

(no idea about the variants) Help me here someone !!


San Motors India LTD (San Storm)

It seems they are still in production, probably only by special orders. Introduced in 1998 designed by French Le Mans Group; powered by a 1149cc Renault engine delivering 60 BHP and a top speed of 152 kmph Fibre Glass body and a best 0-100 km/h of 13 seconds.



Did I forget something ?? Please fill in the space fellow Team BHPians, please also upload some snaps (please make sure that these are authentic photos such as those from old car brochures, car advertisements, restored vehicles or lying in junk,
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Old 13th April 2011, 10:41   #332
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If flop was defined as "relative sales" compared to other cars in its segment, then wouldn't Fiat Linea also qualify for the same? This car retails in both petrol and diesel variants, and should easily be crossing 3.5K - instead it does paltry 0.7K in good months.

Also - the same logic would rule against the Cedia.

Both cases point to hesitant manufacturers hell bent on waiting untill god know what.
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@Fornax
I agree, but with that in mind, Fiat has all its cars in the flop bracket.
They are really poor at marketing.....
Best looking car, best ride quality and a cool package, yet they sell their Punto at 1K per month.....I guess they are not committed enough.

This one is a sure flop: Fiat 500
I just had a look at the interiors. This sure is a cute class vehicle, futuristic in every way you can look at.

Can they not build a new car for India using a few of these components?
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I think FIAT today has very good cars but they are still not able to wipe out the bad image created by Premier Padmini (and other models) dealers who treated customers in the same manner as Britishers treated Indians in pre-independence era.

Further, they were not able to create a good after sales service network that is reliable and convenient. If a totally newcomer and unknown manufacturer like Hyundai could do it why not FIAT? I don't know if they had their hands tied up with their previous partners. The fact remains that 5 years old Santro which is flimsy vehicle commands better price in Market than 5 years old Palio which is significantly better engineered vehicle.

Their tie up with TATA allows them to have their presence everywhere but their vehicles are too advanced for TATA trained mechanics to diagnose and repair.

Even Hindustan Motors Mitsubishi tie up is suffering the same fate. The dealers had bad image. I know a HM dealer who was also dealer for Yezdi would not even give you a quote unless you come with some recommendation till 1984.

Spark of GM is also victim of Daewoo saleout. Many such flops stories are there.

Indian buyers are crazy. Their assessment of vehicle is totally dependent on hearsay and the dreams the salesman tries to sale them. Only 5% of the total buyers shows interest in finding technical details and engineering features of the car. Rest are only interested in Mileage, resale value and snob value.
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Chinkara Motors

(no idea about the variants) Help me here someone !!
Chinkara??!! AFAIK, its not a manufacturer's name but actually the name of the dune-buggy like sports vehicles built on stripped and highly modified Standard Herald chassis () by some German bloke who's settled in Alibaug.
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With the recent negative news about ARIA's electronic components and poor sales figures can the Aria be termed as a "Flop Car"; Or is it too early to write off the Aria?

IMHO it is a great product in a new segment.
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Would like to point out a variant of Hyundai Accent that flopped miserably.

Accent Viva : Hyundai tried to encash the success of it's Accent by introducing this sporty variant into the Indian market. It came with revamped bumpers, front grill, relatively smaller boot. but it didn't meet the expectations of the Indian buyers.
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@Fornax
I agree, but with that in mind, Fiat has all its cars in the flop bracket.
They are really poor at marketing.....
Best looking car, best ride quality and a cool package, yet they sell their Punto at 1K per month.....I guess they are not committed enough.
Fiat sure seems to be committed enough this time around. They have been trying really hard. But our market unfortunately is not mature enough. We want cars that are cheap, that give high mileage & have zero maintenance which Fiat cars can never be. I'm not a Fiat fanboy but just a satisfied customer for the last 5 years I have owned one. I have had my share of issues with Fiat but the pleasure of driving one more than compensates for everything else. It sure feels wonderful to drive a beauty like Punto. Keep trying Fiat, as long as it takes !
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We want cars that are cheap, that give high mileage & have zero maintenance which Fiat cars can never be.
Zero maintenance - technically, I don't think any car can be 0 maintenance. However, I don't see anything unrealistic about the other expectations - high mileage, affordable, and low maintenance. If (and I can't really comment on the reality) Fiat is unable to manage at least some of those, they do need to introspect
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I guess we can update the list now to include -
  1. Datsun Go
  2. New FIAT Linea
  3. Honda Brio
  4. Chevrolet Sail Sedan
  5. Chevrolet Sail U-VA
  6. Chevrolet Enjoy
  7. New Ford Fiesta
  8. Hyundai New Sonata
  9. Mahindra Quanto
  10. Mahindra Verito Vibe
  11. Nissan Evalia
  12. Nissan Teana
  13. Renault new Fluence
  14. Renault new Koleos
  15. Renault Pulse
  16. TATA Aria
  17. TATA Venture
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[*]Mahindra Verito Vibe
Even the Verito sedan too. No?
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Everybody around is talking about Ford Figo and Ford Fiesta, Skodas, Hondas, Marutis, Toyotas, Hyundais etc

This thread is a tribute to those car manufactures who ruled Indian Roads with their cars and then these models were either replaced by newer ones or the company simply shut down.

Some vehicles our family owned in the past :
You have missed out on STAMPRO (Standard motors and products of India, Chennai)

STANDARD GAZEL
STANDARD 2000.

The last product was responsible for the company to shut down shop back in 1988.
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Even the Verito sedan too. No?

Just thought I would update some of the recent launches. Verito / Logan is already included in the thread.
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I guess we can update the list now to include -
[list=1][*]Datsun Go[*]New FIAT Linea[*]Honda Brio[*]Chevrolet Sail Sedan[*]Chevrolet Sail U-VA[*]Chevrolet Enjoy
We can add Fiat Punto too, especially if we consider Brio. They're barely selling 1000 Punto a month while Brio has been selling consistently above the 1k mark.
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I guess we can update the list now to include -
  1. Datsun Go
  2. New FIAT Linea
  3. Honda Brio
  4. Chevrolet Sail Sedan
  5. Chevrolet Sail U-VA
  6. Chevrolet Enjoy
  7. New Ford Fiesta
  8. Hyundai New Sonata
  9. Mahindra Quanto
  10. Mahindra Verito Vibe
  11. Nissan Evalia
  12. Nissan Teana
  13. Renault new Fluence
  14. Renault new Koleos
  15. Renault Pulse
  16. TATA Aria
  17. TATA Venture

Does Brio actually qualify to be in the list?

In my books, a flop car was one that I can hardly spot on the roads and the new Fiesta is the best example of one.

Since its launch, I never saw one in Bangalore and spotted just one when I was in Trivandrum.
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