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Old 16th September 2015, 16:24   #376
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I don't see it being discussed here that much but if there's one car that colossally failed to match expectations then it's the Tata Nano... Surely it counts as a flop given that everyone expected it to trump the Alto when it was first revealed...
Some other cars that come to my mind which haven't been discussed yet.

1) Tata Bolt (early days but I think it's already doomed)
2) Hindustan Avigo (I don't think this stylish Amby ever caught on)
3) Daewoo Nexia (the Cielo was a big hit but this one tanked big time)
4) Premier Rio (then again, how serious is PAL as an automaker anyway)
5) The entire Volvo range (don't think they've really been able to establish themselves as a rival to the German brands)
The Nano has been plagued with one problem after the other, starting from factory relocation. I've driven one and found it adequate for that price range. The biggest let down may have been the price IMO. It was hyped as the Rs. 1 lakh car while in reality it comes dangerously close to Alto/800 which is a tried, tested and more VFM car. Looks are a concern too. To a lot of people the 800 looked more like a car than the Nano. Thus Nano ended up costing almost as much as an Alto/800 but with the added tag of being the cheapest car.

True, Tata tasted success with the Indica/Vista but why does every Tata vehicle(Sumo, Safari exceptions)have look like a Vista? Even the new Zest and Bolt look like Vistas! Bolt looks more like a facelift version of Vista than an all new car. Why stick to the same design? Cant they come up with something new? Best not to talk about lack of marketing/advertising cause that can go on and on.

I may be wrong but wasnt Cielo/Nexia the same thing?

Rio is a joke. Its a pathetic copy of the 1990s Daihatsu Terios and deserves to be a flop. What next for PAL? Rabadge and sell some trashy decade old Chinese junk as a new car?

Volvos, i dunno. They never made any serious attempt to establish in India did they? Their number of dealers in India can be counted on two hands I guess (maybe a toe or two too).
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One of the biggest flops in Indian market was new Ford Fiesta for sure. It's very hard to find one on roads. Facelifted one was more flop than the previous one. I guess you just can't call it as a flop, but super duper flop

Currently Lodgy, Enjoy are also in line to be called as a flop.
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True, Tata tasted success with the Indica/Vista but why does every Tata vehicle(Sumo, Safari exceptions)have look like a Vista? Even the new Zest and Bolt look like Vistas! Bolt looks more like a facelift version of Vista than an all new car. Why stick to the same design? Cant they come up with something new? Best not to talk about lack of marketing/advertising cause that can go on and on.
+1.
It is hard to identify Bolt from a Vista, unless you are absolutely sure how the headlights and tail lights looked on Vista.
Of course, there are companies, that stick to the same family faces - and hence are successful due to that too. e.g - VW - Everything from Polo to Passat looks exactly the same. Only the dimensions vary.
But then, Tata's problem is that, Indica has been associated with a taxi for over a decade, and individual car owners hardly aspire to own an Indica these days, though available in the showrooms. So, if a car like Bolt comes out, which has the same family face, nobody bothers to take a look. For B2 segment buyers, looks are important, and they would rather choose a Swift at the same budget, rather than a Bolt.
I believe that one of the reason for Aria's flop (budget & A.S.S reasons aside) is the same Indica / Vista face & design. No Offense Aria Owners - Those who are specific about the comments and opinions from friends & neighbours, reject the car immediately after this first comment: "Why are you buying an Indica at 15L? ". That is the effect of the looks.
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Weird nobody mentioned the BEAT. Or should I say "Chevrolet" in general as a flop?
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Verito Vibe, hardly saw any on the road ever. Pathetic chop job, shame since the Logan was a competent car.
Nano, got people all excited, fired up the imagination and finally delivered a micro car, which although very competent in many ways, but the cost cutting was evident, and the price quickly zoomed up way past the initial quote. The last nail in the coffin was the denials in the face of repeated fire cases. So not done.
Lodgy- never seen one on the roads. Don't know anyone who even considered it.
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I guess Nissan Evalia would top the list of recent flop cars, followed by Renault Lodgy, Scala, Mahindra-Ssangyong Rexton, Verito-Vibe, Datsun Go & Go+.

I feel that there was no genuine effort by the company in planning these cars & packaging them for India.

Only exception among the cars in which ALOT of thought & effort seemed to've been put, would be the most expensive & cheapest car of Tata Motors- the Aria & Nano.
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I may be wrong but wasnt Cielo/Nexia the same thing?
Not quite.
The Cielo with a 80 BHP was first launched in 1995 to rival Maruti's Esteem in 1995 and did initially get a lot of sales but eventually fell behind to cars such as the City, Lancer, Astra and Escort.

To match the competition, Daewoo launched the Nexia with India's first ever DOHC engine with 94 horses on top - but in the same body as the Cielo. And sadly, the car never took off.

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Around chennai, I am getting to see quite a few number of lodgys. Though not in the leagues of other chart burners, it is definitely more selling than the verito vibe and its likes. Even happened to see an evalia or AL stile once in a while. Rexton and mu-7, maybe once in 2 months in highways.

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I feel most of the cars from Renaults stable are a flop.
Koleos
Fluence
Pulse
Only Duster, Scala sell somewhat. I feel bad for the Fluence in their line up. It's a good car. But still a flop.
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Weird nobody mentioned the BEAT. Or should I say "Chevrolet" in general as a flop?
Beat sold well initially, but Chevrolet failed to update it in the wake of modern competition. I'm not sure if it can be called a flop. Outdated would be a better word.

Not the case with the Sail twins, Enjoy etc which are sales duds right from launch. Infact, the Sail twins don't even sell as much as half of their equivalent models from FIAT, which is usually considered a benchmark for low sales!
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Did I miss reading Suzuki Kizashi in this thread? That was one utter flop and sent a clear indication that Indians can't digest a 15L> Maruti car!

Also the Mahindra Quanto. I can't help but laugh when I see that vehicle on road. What was Mahindra thinking!

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Fiat Petra
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Did I miss reading Suzuki Kizashi in this thread? That was one utter flop and sent a clear indication that Indians can't digest a 15L> Maruti car!

Also the Mahindra Quanto. I can't help but laugh when I see that vehicle on road. What was Mahindra thinking!

Chevrolet Forester
Fiat Petra
Aah, the Quanto. I called it a grown-up WagonR while it lasted on the roads.
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The Hyundai Accent 1.6 Tornado? That was a flop.

Also, the Innova Petrol. And the Indigo Petrol (not the CNG version)

The Amaze CNG, Honda City CNG, i10 LPG, all duds.


The all new Fiat Siena and the new Fiat Adventure were also flops.

The Cross Polo from VW.

The Maruti Esteem and Wagon R AX models were also made by order only.. Flopped quite miserably.
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Not quite.
The Cielo with a 80 BHP was first launched in 1995 to rival Maruti's Esteem in 1995 and did initially get a lot of sales but eventually fell behind to cars such as the City, Lancer, Astra and Escort.

To match the competition, Daewoo launched the Nexia with India's first ever DOHC engine with 94 horses on top - but in the same body as the Cielo. And sadly, the car never took off.
The Nexia also came with completely revised interiors, and was amongst the most VFM cars in its segment.
However, with the death of Daewoo, coupled with average engine/ride/handling + dated design - it was no match to the Lancer and City which were the kings back then.
We had the pleasure of owning a Nexia way back when it was just launched (ownership report on TBHP somewhere). Car was superbly reliable for our ownership period, but positioned between the more competent Ikon, Accent & Lancer, City which looked and drove much better, it's fate was sealed.
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Aria in my book qualifies as one of the biggest flops, especially viewed in the context of XUV.
Both cars were launched by their respective manufacturers at around the same time frame targeting the same segment . Both were the most expensive offering for their respective parent company and with their launch, the parent firm in each case was testing the proverbial 'uncharted waters'. And we all know what has happened since...XUV almost sells 100 times more than Aria each month.
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