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Old 12th July 2016, 09:52   #436
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S-Cross for example still sells more than the popular Duster. We need to stop thinking purely in terms of opposites; not being a success does not default being a flop You can add the Baleno Altura to that list though, together with the Kiz and GV, they make the biggest market failures from MS.
Agree that S-Cross sells more than the Duster but the Duster was selling 3K to 4K units every month in it's first couple of years of launch and only now the numbers have dropped to less than 2K. S-Cross is selling only around 2K in it's first year, so I will not be surprised if the numbers drop down further.

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Agree that S-Cross sells more than the Duster but the Duster was selling 3K to 4K units every month in it's first couple of years of launch and only now the numbers have dropped to less than 2K. S-Cross is selling only around 2K in it's first year, so I will not be surprised if the numbers drop down further.
S Cross is currently available in the diesel variant and at a time when the market shift is to petrol.
Guess with the Petrol variant of S Cross due shortly it will cross the 2k mark comfortably.
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S Cross is currently available in the diesel variant and at a time when the market shift is to petrol.
Guess with the Petrol variant of S Cross due shortly it will cross the 2k mark comfortably.
Good point. Volume could go up once it's launched with a good petrol engine. I can see that in UK market S-Cross has the M16A petrol engine. Also, an automatic will help further. Do we know the split of diesel sales to petrol sales in Creta?

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S-cross is surely a flop. S-Cross's competitor Creta has been selling 7K-8K consistently every month since launch. S-cross is around 2K only,
2000 units might sound sure shot flop in case of other small cars Maruti sell, but not in the 12L - 14L range the SCross operates in. The ultimate cars of that segment like the Creta and City sell 7k and 5k units respectively which makes the S-Cross a average seller, rather than a flop.

But, in other ways you can say it MIGHT flop in future if the sales go downwards from here.

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in spite of the price cut and Maruti's strong A.S.S
First of all, after sales networks dont sell cars, dealers do! And NEXA has much lesser presence than even of the smallers players in the country as of now.

Take Karnataka for example. Normal Maruti dealer network covers over 200 towns including cities with most places having multiples dealers. NEXA covers only bangalore and mangalore cities alone. 2 against 200! No matter how many service stations are there, most people wont travel hundreds of kilometers to purchase a car, when similar price range products from same company (Ciaz) and other brands are available closer to town.

I believe sales of SCross and Baleno (against Swift) should improve once the NEXA network expands.

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S-Cross is selling only around 2K in it's first year, so I will not be surprised if the numbers drop down further.
Petrol variant, automatic option and even the facelift is in the pipeline. Too soon to predict the volumes will drop just like that.

PS - The 1.6 variant (although a brilliant car) is a flop. It is almost discontinued as well now.
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Take Karnataka for example. Normal Maruti dealer network covers over 200 towns including cities with most places having multiples dealers. NEXA covers only bangalore and mangalore cities alone. 2 against 200! No matter how many service stations are there, most people wont travel hundreds of kilometers to purchase a car, when similar price range products from same company (Ciaz) and other brands are available closer to town.

I believe sales of SCross and Baleno (against Swift) should improve once the NEXA network expands.



Petrol variant, automatic option and even the facelift is in the pipeline. Too soon to predict the volumes will drop just like that.

PS - The 1.6 variant (although a brilliant car) is a flop. It is almost discontinued as well now.
I think you have nailed it . The numbers should improve one we have more Nexa showrooms.
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First of all, after sales networks dont sell cars, dealers do! And NEXA has much lesser presence than even of the smallers players in the country as of now.

Take Karnataka for example. Normal Maruti dealer network covers over 200 towns including cities with most places having multiples dealers. NEXA covers only bangalore and mangalore cities alone. 2 against 200! No matter how many service stations are there, most people wont travel hundreds of kilometers to purchase a car, when similar price range products from same company (Ciaz) and other brands are available closer to town.
Excellent! Datsun Go and Go+ are not flops either , going by your argument, and if are to consider the number of Nissan-Datsun showrooms we have in India. When a comparable product is available in nearby Maruti why would somebody want to buy Go and Go+. Nissan do not even have 200 showrooms in entire India. Maruti have 200 in Karnataka itself.

And this was Maruti's own target last year - to sell 4K-5K units and they are struggling to hit 50% of even that and that too in the first year since launch.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/48381953.cms

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"We have set an internal target of selling 4,000 to 5,000 units of S-Cross a month, and capacity can be ramped up or down depending on demand," Executive Director and Head of Marketing and Sales, T Hashimoto said here after launching the S-Cross today, priced at Rs 8.8 lakh to Rs 14.5 lakh, ex-showroom, Mumbai.

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Excellent! Datsun Go and Go+ are not flops either , going by your argument
Good twist. I've already clearly explained this and my view of Datsun few posts earlier. Nothing much to add, so let's wait and watch few months, shall we?

Let's see how many defence will come one year down the line for the numbers for Go and Go+. With the launch of Redi Go, these already insignificant products have become obsolete.

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And this was Maruti's own target last year - to sell 4K-5K units and they are struggling to hit 50% of even that and that too in the first year since launch.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/48381953.cms
Brilliant. Thanks for that. Like I said, 50% of target is still a respectable number in this segment and makes it an average seller. It can go either up or down as a flop depending on how Maruti reacts for the next few months.

I'm of the opinion it will go up with the introduction of showrooms, petrol and automatic options, facelift etc. You can have the opposite view for sure, but the results can only be seen few months down the line.
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One famous flop car in our market was the Chevy SRV. I purchased a well-maintained preowned one in 2013 and sold it in 2015 as I was moving to a different city. I must say that this car didn't flop because of the reliability or the features it offered but because the design was too ahead of its time and also the petrol engine wasn't known for its mileage. At the same time the prices were slightly premium considering the body style and our Indian mindset.

In my almost two years of ownership I drove a little over 10k kilometers to different destinations, with friends and at least with 3-4 on-board most of the times and the way this car cruises at top speeds is unbelievable. The build quality is excellent and today's i20s or Jazzs are nothing compared to this car. The space inside trumps today's Jazz car easily and the width was sufficient to accommodate 3 healthy individuals at the back. I would have retained the car for life, especially since I bought it at a great bargain but for the notoriety of Chevy service in Hyderabad. If you ask me for the negatives of this car, I would say a a slightly low set backseat and soft suspension that sometimes led to under-body hits especially when 5 individuals would be in the car but again this was quite rare and on very bad roads, moreover the underbody was very well protected.

I can go on and on because of the positive ownership experience and the unlimited fun I had with this car but I miss it too and it makes me very nostalgic just thinking about the trips I made in this car and the safety with which it brought us back every time without complaints.
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Good twist. I've already clearly explained this and my view of Datsun few posts earlier. Nothing much to add, so let's wait and watch few months, shall we?

Let's see how many defence will come one year down the line for the numbers for Go and Go+. With the launch of Redi Go, these already insignificant products have become obsolete.
I ain't a defender, nor was trying to provide a twist but rather pointed out a flaw in your argument and used the argument to build a case against your defence of s-cross where you linked the sales numbers with the number of dealer outlets to reach a conclusion but apparently that conclusion was not applicable when another party put a similar case forward for Go and Go+. So, two similar scenarios but your conclusions were different is what I tried to bring forward.

Sure, let's wait and watch the results down the line.

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India's no#1 car manufacturer, Maruti, has produced a number of flop cars!!

- AStar
- Ritz
- Baleno Sedan
- SX4
- Kizashi
- Zen Estilo
- Versa

We can now add the following recent cars to that list
- Celerio
- S-Cross
I wonder how you came to the conclusion that RITZ is a flop??
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And this was Maruti's own target last year - to sell 4K-5K units and they are struggling to hit 50% of even that and that too in the first year since launch.
Let me add. When we talk of numbers its important to look at the car itself as well as the company behind it.

2-3k units is less considering Maruti's standards. But let us not forget they are reinventing themselves at the premium segment.

Ciaz managed to prove itself worthy, (mainly because its price undercuts the city by a lakh) but the S-cross had a different task at hand.

The S-cross is a "crossover" pitted against Creta a "Compact SUV". Had it been an extended and a plusher version of the Vitara brezza,

things would have surely been different. Also Nexa limited its reach.

For its body type, it does decent numbers IMO. Creta though expensive is still an "SUV".Maruti have been brave here.

I doubt any other manufacturer would have been able to pull off such a body-type at this price point.

I dont see any similarity in them except the price-points at which they sell. Its like choosing between the Ford Figo and KUV 100.

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50% of target is still a respectable number in this segment and makes it an average seller. It can go either up or down as a flop depending on how Maruti reacts for the next few months.

I'm of the opinion it will go up with the introduction of showrooms, petrol and automatic options, facelift etc. You can have the opposite view for sure, but the results can only be seen few months down the line.
With all that it still might not out-do Creta, but IMO calling it a flop would be a quite inappropriate.
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Worldover Suzuki sells the Vitara (not Breeza) 1.6 diesel variants at about the same price as the SCross. For the life of me I cant understand why Maruti did not consider the Vitara for India in place of SCross.
Just imagine, the Vitara at the price of SCross - it would have been a success with wait times approaching the Creta.
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Worldover Suzuki sells the Vitara (not Breeza) 1.6 diesel variants at about the same price as the SCross.
Here is the break-up of Europe sales for both the cars.
Suzuki for not bringing the Vitara is mystery still. But as heard the Vitara could be introduced in the higher trim and need to see if this happens.

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