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Old 4th May 2006, 12:10   #46
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First things first. A 'Flop Car' would be one that was rejected by the market. Plain and simple. In that case Fiat cars were a flop.
Did U see the Poll that was on Team BHP few days back..

Palio 1.6 got the highest votes ... Do U think palio was rejected by the market.
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The fact that FIAT has generated such a nice-long hue n cry in this thread itslef is proof enough that the palio is'nt a flop

The same stuff keeps happening in the real world too. people just keep talking about palios. Only a selected few buy 'em

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sesh & finneyp, you are talking about Palio as a car, while TypeO is talking about its sales in the market. These are two different things. It is wonderful car no doubt (in fact many people regard it as the best in its segment), but sadly flopped on sales chart.

Poll results don't translate into sales. Otherwise, Palio would have been best seller even today.
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Guys, better get back to actual topic of the thread before others kick us out for hijacking this thread in to a Fiat discussion.

If we can include a certain model, Hyundai Accent Tornado was also a flop.
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Sesh, winning a poll on tbhp does not make a car the market leader. It just means that a majority of the forum appreciates the car. Baleno wins most of the polls here - does not really mean that it was a great hit in the Indian market (though it is definitely gaining ground since the last 1-2 years).

Just have a look at the Palio sales figures provided by goldie_malhotra in this thread and you will know whether the Palio was accepted or rejected by the market.

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somebody please make clear the thread's purpose.

Flop - because of the market?
Flop - badly engineered car?

IMHO, we shouldnt even be discussing the so-called MARKET -or- selling numbers here.
People who buy a car after looking at 'numbers sold' are most prolly not even present on team-bhp.

then, why bother abt 'em?
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I think the first flop had to be the earliest contessa with the non-isuzu engine, man it was teribble, i had an engine replaced from the company too........
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Poll results don't translate into sales. Otherwise, Palio would have been best seller even today.
But It suggests the market trend.. That is what I was trying to SAY.. Palio was never a "Reject" in the market. Fiat has its own problems.. whole world knows..

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But It suggests the market trend.. That is what I was trying to SAY..
Actually, it does not. Tbhp is a forum of auto enthusiasts whose buying behaviour would be very different from that of a normal buyer in the market. It does not mirror the general market trend.

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Palio was never a "Reject" in the market.
Well, if you compare its sales with that of the competition, it is actually way behind. And this thread determines a flop based on sales (nothing to do with the car's quality).
The thread starter made it very clear when he/she said "these are some of the cars in the indian market which didnt do good as the manufacturer expected ... ". And what does a manufacturer expect ? Great sales ofcourse.
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Actually, it does not. Tbhp is a forum of auto enthusiasts whose buying behaviour would be very different from that of a normal buyer in the market. It does not mirror the general market trend.
Actually Very True.. Only Auto enthusiasts know what Palio is, Others seldom understand what it is..
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Hey Sesh, Finney

RX135 has put it very well. Please try to understand the meaning of flop first. Lets take the case of movies. Haven't you seen a number of movies that were well made, had good actors, and yet 'flopped'? Hope you are getting my drift ...

That the Fiat cars 'flopped' in India is the most heartbreaking thing to have happened to me , other Fiat owners and sympathetic auto enthusiasts. Heartbreaking, but true. Sadly.
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People who buy a car after looking at 'numbers sold' are most prolly not even present on team-bhp.
And Fiat almost closed down because such people are in the majority. Right?
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Hey Sesh, Finney

RX135 has put it very well. Please try to understand the meaning of flop first. Lets take the case of movies. Haven't you seen a number of movies that were well made, had good actors, and yet 'flopped'? Hope you are getting my drift ...

That the Fiat cars 'flopped' in India is the most heartbreaking thing to have happened to me , other Fiat owners and sympathetic auto enthusiasts. Heartbreaking, but true. Sadly.
For the last time, I would NEVER accept that Palio was a flop!

Since, you have taken the example of movies, a movie will be rated either: Super Hit / Hit / Average / Flop.

So the performance of Palio in the Indian market can be rated as: Average. But, never as Flop!!!
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i think matiz flopped..after a short rise..it just sold hot cause of the ad's
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For the last time, I would NEVER accept that Palio was a flop!
Since, you have taken the example of movies, a movie will be rated either: Super Hit / Hit / Average / Flop. So the performance of Palio in the Indian market can be rated as: Average. But, never as Flop!!!
Technically, you would be right, finneyp. I mean, when compared to something like the Altura, yes, the Palio cannot be called a flop - average sales maybe. We still see quite some Palios on the road, while you would be lucky if you see even one Altura around.
But then, comparing these two is not really in order as the Altura is in a different segment altogether and in that also, it is in a more niche market, being a station wagon. So, when compared with the sales of something in its category (say Santro, Swift etc), the Palio is definitely a flop.
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