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Old 30th January 2007, 12:42   #76
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I'd think definition of a flop should be potential not turning in to sales
I think Sreenivas has hit the nail on the head!

Actually by this definition, I would also call the Getz and Elantras as flop cars; esp the Getz since it had the potential to be a market leader (look at the Swift and what it has done to the market!)

But Sreenivas is right- Fiat cars are great (i own one myself) but they have never even come close to doing justice to their potential (except for the fist 6-8 months of the Palio launch). The Uno and Palio are classic examples of a brilliant opportunity frittered away and resulting in less than desirable sales.

Whether one calls them a flop or not depends on ones perspective and what benchmarks are used to compare them with. (Palio needs to be benchmarked against the Getz and Swift- so the Palio was a car ahead of tis time) and Uno needs to be benchmarked against the zen and santro- no need to say anything on that one!
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How about the Standard 2000? I hardly see them around these days though I've heard of people running them with matador engines!
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I have seen many diesel Maruti's.... Although their sales were nothing compared to their petrol siblings... They also sold in small numbers...

AND GUYS... I FINALLY SAW A SONATA EMBERRA... At yesudas's (singer) son's wedding...
Thats why it's a huge failure for Maruti. The percentage of diesel's sold is very very minimal. Aren't we discussing about flops here???. We can't go by the number of Maruti diesel's you have spotted (no affence meant).
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Following are cars that I think are flops (Depending on sales)

1. Maruti Esteem diesel
2. Maruti Zen diesel
3. FIAT Palio
4. FIAT Siena/Petra
5. Hyundai Getz
6. Hyundai Terracan
7. Hyundai Sonata
8. TATA Indica (Pre V2)
9. TATA Estate/Siera/Automobile
10. Maruti Versa
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Sreenivas, This topic was discussed in detail a long time back!
There is no point now to opine whether a Car is flop or not!
For me Palio is a damn SUCCESS, for you it may be flop!
Each one his own!
Dear Finney, I understand you are sentimental towards the Palio since you own one and adore it to the core. I possess one and had to buy it after lots of flak. In my opinion it should be termed a flop for one reason - It did not tick sales figures. Any good product which does not appeal to the mass in terms of sales can be a flop. Many people would want to own a Palio GTX but who comes out and really does unless there is a poll?
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Finney, flop does not mean bad car in all cases. It could mean 'stupid management', 'useless dealers' and 'ignorant public'. In that order.
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How about the Standard 2000? I hardly see them around these days though I've heard of people running them with matador engines!
Yes, the standard 2000 was one major flop, basically for not providing a good engine. there are a couple of guys here who have plonked toyota diesels and getting FE of 22-26KmPl.
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Another bigtime flop - the Sipani D-1. I don't recall having seen more than 4 or 5 of them in bangalore at least.
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guys what abt the UNO from fiat? with space,effeciency and compactness, they might have expected an 800's story, but it was the reverse..
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Old 31st January 2007, 14:10   #85
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Total flops:

Rover Montego
Dolphin
San Storm
Peugout 306(or 9 whichever)

Next list:
Versa
Zen Diesel.
Reva
chevy SRV

Debatable:
Baleno
FIAT
Ambassador (current situation)
Bolero Invader. etc...
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guys what abt the UNO from fiat? with space,effeciency and compactness, they might have expected an 800's story, but it was the reverse..
Well I do not know much about it but it sold good numbers for a year or two until the bad service bug hit Fiat on its head.
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The Ford Fusion has flopped by sales, but is a solid built multi purpose car!!
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What about the first model of ford in india, is it escort ? Do you guys think its a flop ?
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what about the lancer invex by mitsubishi?? i haven seen even one on the road yet
With the Invex if they got the price right, mitsubishi could have pretty much given a new shot of life to the Lancer. If you ask me, the Lancer is one of the all time great designs. Perfectly proportioned, muscular and a car who's boot looked empty without a led Spoiler !! A sign of true rally cred !
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The Ford Fusion has flopped by sales, but is a solid built multi purpose car!!
That is exactly why it is a flop. QED.
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