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Old 13th January 2009, 06:26   #46
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hey, I am seriously interested in purchasing an hm ambassador AVIGO model.
I think that you are posting some OT in this thread. This thread is for discussion on discontinued models of cars in Indian market.

Can we put pictures also of all discontinued models in standard resolution format of Team-BHP. So that many people can aware of those design.

In late 80s I used to see small truck type buses in our home town. Engine of those vehicles were in front of driver's cabin. I really do not know which company produced such vehicles.
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Peugeot 309 is one which come to mind; with the great TuD5 engine, have read somewhere that the TUD5 was one of the best small diesel engines of its time.
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Old 13th January 2009, 08:09   #48
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since the alto VX is there, the indica turbo and dicor deserve a place there too
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Old 13th January 2009, 10:38   #49
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Does anybody have the specs for the erstwhile Sipani Montego? Was it not the first Common Rail Diesel car to be sold in the country?
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Old 13th January 2009, 12:37   #50
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THe first common rail diesel as far as i know to be sold in INdia was from the Mercedes Stable.. either the C220 CDI, E220 CDI or the S320 CDI
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Old 13th January 2009, 14:20   #51
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Nope, it was a NA 2 litre unit.

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Does anybody have the specs for the erstwhile Sipani Montego? Was it not the first Common Rail Diesel car to be sold in the country?
Also the Ikon 1.3 pushrod petrol engine that bombed big time forcing Ford to bring the 1.3 ROCAM.
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Ford escort and Ikon 1.8 Diesel
1. As someone pointed out, the vehicle is positioned as a Off road vehicle, but to have a real off road vehicle, you will need a bunch of mods anyway.
- Apparently the stock thar can do 90% of the trails out there - which in itself a win. If I were the company MD, I would definitely consider a ton before building a vehicle that can do 100% of the off roading but will be bought only by a handful of "hard-core" folks. Someone has already given the Harley analogy here.

2. What I don't understand is why the hard-core off roaders can't take the solid axle DI vehicle, get nice tyres and a lift kit if needed - and do the off roading in that.

All in all, this vehicle is out there in the market. May be you won't buy it. I will buy it - and there will be a segment that will be willing to buy this and mod it to suit their needs (My mods will revolve around comfort / road presence and minimal off roading for example. So I will change the interiors, get better seats, fit a better dash / finish it as possible, get power windows, get central locking, get alloys, get a good bull bar, get hard top, get AC, get a great ICE and so on).

I had a conversation with DB, and partly I do agree with him (NO - these are not his views.). This vehicle is targeted at the hard-core "Modders" out there like me (He has repeatedly mentioned this in his posts) - and not the hardcore off roaders / pure lifestyle folks. For Modders like me, cheapness of vehicle is paramount. We don't want a bad set of alloys from the company that we will get replaced on day 1. What we want is a basic chassis with basic interiors - and I guess I am content as a cow here because my needs have been completely met.

FWIW, if Mahindra is to put in the right effort into finish / HT/ AC - the vehicle price would have gone up by another 1.5L, (See the other 100 bhp / high torque good interior SUVs in market. Don't compare it to some 50 bhp "car") which honestly I would have hated - because I would have thrown them out right away anyway.

Some answers to Shankar.balan:

You claim to be a loyal M&M man - so you must know what they have delivered in this segment. I know it, I was happy with my Invader back then (Same quality interiors / worse), and I am happy now. It is all in the expectations.

I also see that you have completely glossed over the fact that M&M spent a puny sum on this project. I don't agree with the validity of the question "How can M&M do this bad finishing??". After all, Microsoft released Windows ME and Vista (I should know - I was a part of MS then!) - and it is a Multi-billion dollar company. For all the hue and cry, people still bought Vista - because it did a basic job of whatever was expected, and sys-admins out there made it work. People WILL buy Thars and make it work.

I would just thank DB/Spike for putting in the energy in addressing this tiny modder segment and buy if I want to or ditch it if I don't. I don't see a point in bashing it repeatedly (and worse, still buying it!) when nobody is forcing anyone to buy it.

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So why can we not accept some criticism of M&M too if they attempt to palm off similar rubbish quality to the consumer in the marketplace?
Don't judge a book buy its cover. Interiors can be rectified, dash/seats can be replaced. May be you don't want to - but that's your opinion. But rubbishing the whole vehicle is uncalled for.

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Maybe Im being a bit dramatic
Those words ... well, you said it

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Does anybody have the specs for the erstwhile Sipani Montego? Was it not the first Common Rail Diesel car to be sold in the country?
I had spotted a couple of Montego's on Bangalore roads about a year back I think. I was wondering whether its an imported old car
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what about maruti esteem?i havent founf this name in the list so far.
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I guess during '95, Sipani Automobiles (Bangalore) imported it as CBU and distributed at a whopping 9~10L OTR.

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does anyone out here know the van used by kamal hasan in the movie 'Hundustani', i guess that is also not in production now.& what about the vehicle used by Chanki pande in tejab (in the song so gaya jahaan)
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Hi,

With the recent interest in Montego, I thought I could put some info. Since pictures are better than words, here goes:

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Does anybody have the specs for the erstwhile Sipani Montego? Was it not the first Common Rail Diesel car to be sold in the country?
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Nope, it was a NA 2 litre unit.
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I had spotted a couple of Montego's on Bangalore roads about a year back I think. I was wondering whether its an imported old car
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I guess during '95, Sipani Automobiles (Bangalore) imported it as CBU and distributed at a whopping 9~10L OTR.
The brochure was sent to me by my uncle. I also had the good fortune of taking delivery of the new vehicle from the dealers.

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I dup up this old issue which talks about the car over 7 pages. So couresy Auto India for the following pictures. Scanned photo quality is not very good though!

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I would like to quote the last few sentences of the report:

"Sporting a sticker price of Rs 678000 (725000 for the estate version) the Montego remains a car for the elite few. Yes. It is a very expensive car but after driving it we realised that overpriced it certainly isn't."

I fully agree with the statement above.

That turbocharged direct injection was a beauty. No common rail, but it was just like one. Powerful and economical. I spent only a very little time with it, but each minute was good.

It was with my uncle for about 80000kms and was sold of due to lack of service support.

Early for its time, especially, it landed in the wrong company!
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Old 7th January 2011, 13:40   #57
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Hello all,

Could not find this on thread so thought it would be worth mentioning. A real gem, which is sadly no more with us has to be the first Mercedes assembled in India the almighty W-124 series E220 and the 1st 5 cylinder diesel assembled in India the E250D.

Slightly off topic but am i correct in assuming that the first motor car to be assembled in India (in modern times) with more than 4 cylinders would be the diesel W124 Benz?
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Hyundai terrcan
hyundai tucson
chevrolet forester
mitsubishi lancer (1 st gen)
NHC
the the legend maruti 800( is it out of production already ?)
mahindra armada
toyota qualis
7th generation accord( i am not sure if considering generations is right, but then again maruti anf hyundai sell 2-3 gen cars simultanously)
2nd generation CRV
2001 c class,e class, s class
same with audis,bmws and porsches(all their cars are now fresh)
1st generation M class
ford mondeo
suzuki grand vitara,prado,endeavour( all older generation ones have stopped selling we have new ones now)
opel astra/astra club
fiat uno
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You can sadly add the Hyundai Getz to the list above :-(
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Has anyone mentioned the previous generation Toyota Corolla ?
If not you can add that also
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