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Old 6th November 2012, 11:10   #106
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By the way how does Fiat manage to keep its production line running for just 37 Lineas? And even more important, how does it pay its employees with that kind of numbers?
(On a lighter note, Fiat employees must have the easiest jobs in the Indian auto industry)
FIAT's facility near Pune also manufactures Tata Manza and Vista under the Tata-Fiat JV. Apart from this, their engines are manufactured which are also used by Tata cars. Probably that is how they manage to pay their employees.
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[quote=GTO;2950937]Guys, sorry about the missing analysis this month. We're currently adding the final touches to an official review of a very important car, thus that's where all the energies are.

By the way, I am really waiting for Official Review of Ssangyong Rexton Rx7 review, definately not booking the same till that one is out on team-bhp..!
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FIAT's facility near Pune also manufactures Tata Manza and Vista under the Tata-Fiat JV. Apart from this, their engines are manufactured which are also used by Tata cars. Probably that is how they manage to pay their employees.
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By the way how does Fiat manage to keep its production line running for just 37 Lineas? And even more important, how does it pay its employees with that kind of numbers?
(On a lighter note, Fiat employees must have the easiest jobs in the Indian auto industry)
FIATs Ranjangaon facility has a capacity of 2 lakh cars and 3.5L engines per year.

Out of this 1L engines are required to be produced for Maruti Suzuki (As per the contract signed earlier this year). TATA would require around 1L cars + 1Lengines an year. (Considering 8000 Vistas+ Manza per month).

FIAT requires around 10k cars + 10k engines an year. Considering exports as well (Mainly the diesel engines. They also export Linea to many RHD markets from India), i think its safe to assume that the utilisation of the plant stands at atleast 60-70%.

But yes - Without purchase from MS and TATA - FIAT could not have maintained this plant in India.
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Thank you GTO for the superb analysis as ever.

The 'swansong' for the Honda Jazz continues. I reckon they should just sell the Brio and the City in India.
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Duster is rocking. Renault has not spent that much time in India to have strong brand loyalty. Another low cost SUV similar to Duster from a foreign brand like say Nissan or Ford can make the life difficult for Duster.
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Good to see the month's numbers on upside. MSIL again shows what they are best in.
At last Kizashi shows numbers after huge discount, nice.

I think next month would be much better with Diwali discounts in the market, people would try utilizing the schemes more and more.
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Good summary of the monthly sales !!!!!!!!! I especially love the views and opinions of the many team-bhpians.....if only the marketing team would go throufg the these threads they would get so many invaluable inputs on the trends.
The drastic drop in the Beat sales is a shocker and I dont think the new Sail hatchback is going to bring volumes immediately unless it proves itself in a few months with positive feedback from buyers. GMI needs to pull up all ends fast else they will be heading the Fiat way.
Wonder what is holding back Fiat, just hope that they have good plans for the coming year.
Renault has made good inroads though right now it is only the duster bringing in volumes but Pulse and Scala if they sustain then surely it is going to make their presence stronger. They have already taken over GMI.
Skoda sales merely reflect the attitude of their service centers.
Aggressive advertising is still not helping Volkswagen for increasing their volumes.
Had it not been for Figo Ford India would have been same as GMI.
Mahindra & TATA are involved in their fight where the XUV 5OO & Bolero seem to be giving the edge to Mahindra.
Let's hope the Diwali season brings cheer to the auto industry......
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Auto sector towards double-digit growth this festive season. November sales 2ill be healthy for the Auto Sector!

Figures made available from carmakers on Monday reveal that automakers have bypassed their sales targets and posted on an average 20-25% higher deliveries over the previous year's Dhanteras.

India's largest carmaker, Maruti Suzuki, made a smart bounce-back on the back of demand for the new Alto 800 and renewed interest in the Swift hatchback and DZire sub-compact sedan. MS has retailed over 10,000 cars on Dhanteras.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/17199347.cms
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The following are the sales for premium brands in October 2012.

Audi - 882
BMW - 790
Mercedes - 732
JLR - 156

Source: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20121110/biz.htm#6

PS: I really didn't understand all the numbers presented in the link.
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Thank you, GTO and parrys, for the detailed figures and graphs, as usual! This valuable info, which cannot be accessed anywhere else for free, is just one of the things that I've come to appreciate so much about Team-bhp.

It looks like the festive season is finally bringing some cheer to the auto industry guys. MSIL is back to its normal self after its Manesar troubles, and has managed to pull up the figures for the entire industry. Other manufacturers in general also seem to be doing well, with a couple of exceptions.

It looks like a manufacturer's position in the overall sales chart is directly related to the number of models they can get into the top 20 chart. No prizes for guessing that Maruti Suzuki with 8 models (Alto, Swift, DZire, Wagon R, Ertiga, Ritz, Omni & Eeco) occupies the top spot. Hyundai comes next with 4 models (i20, i10, Eon & Verna) in the top 20. This trend continues with Mahindra (3 models - Bolero, Scorpio & XUV5OO) and Tata (2 generations of 2 models - Indica/Vista & Indigo/Manza) at the next two spots. The same also applies to Toyota (1 model - Innova). The only exceptions to this rule is Honda, which is at 6th position this month (most likely pushing cars down the throats of dealers as observed from their highly variable monthly sales). The trend again continues with Ford (1 model - Figo) and Renault (1 model - Duster) occupying the seventh and eight spots on the overall sales chart.

The importance of this trend cannot be understated. It shows that to be successful, a manufacturer at least has to get one product to hit the sweet spot and entice buyers into their showrooms in droves. This will rub off on other models sharing showroom space and propel the maker upwards in the sales chart. Ford and Renault must know this better than anyone else!

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The following are the sales for premium brands in October 2012.

Audi - 882
BMW - 790
Mercedes - 732
JLR - 156

Source: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20121110/biz.htm#6

PS: I really didn't understand all the numbers presented in the link.
Thanks for that update!

So Audi is ahead, with BMW in second spot and Mercedes close behind. Now we know why Tata is so reluctant to share JLR sales figures. They are way, way behind the German troika. I guess only Volvo and Porsche with their CBUs would sell less than JLR.

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So Audi is ahead, with BMW in second spot and Mercedes close behind. Now we know why Tata is so reluctant to share JLR sales figures. They are way, way behind the German troika. I guess only Volvo and Porsche with their CBUs would sell less than JLR.
JLR has started concentrating on india very recently. It would take some time for them to deliver more volumes.

Also, as of now, JLR might be importing all the stuff. It does take some time to start localizing the things and offering the products at better price.
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So Audi is ahead, with BMW in second spot and Mercedes close behind. Now we know why Tata is so reluctant to share JLR sales figures. They are way, way behind the German troika. I guess only Volvo and Porsche with their CBUs would sell less than JLR.
I would assume that most of the sales for Audi/BMW/Merc come from the C/3/A4 segment (+X1/Q3) where JLR does not have a presence.
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Maruti Suzuki moves to second position in the UV segment with the Ertiga

The utility vehicle segment in India is growing leaps and bounds and India’s largest passenger car maker Maruti is one of the biggest beneficiaries.
With the launch on Ertiga, Maruti invented the mini crossover MPV segment in India and never looked back. The 7 seat people mover created such an an impact that Maruti is struggling to plug the demand-supply gap despite running at full capacity.
In the months of September and October, Maruti pushed back Toyota to become the second largest UV seller in India. However, considering the first seven months’ sales figures, Toyota is still ahead MSIL but the ever increasing demand for the Ertiga means Maruti has a fair chance of beating Toyota to the second place.
Indian UV specialist Mahindra has cemented its numero uno position owing to the strong demand for its UVs especially for the newly launched Quanto mini SUV. However, Mahindra’s market share has decreased to 47.5% from previous year’s 56.5%.
Maruti’s market share stands at 15.4% against last year’s 2.1%. During the same period, Toyota’s share declined marginally (by 0.5%) and is at 17.5%.
Robust sales of Renault Duster has placed the French manufacturer at fourth place in UV segment.
Mr. Mayank Pareek, chief operating officer (sales & marketing), Maruti Suzuki told Financial Chronicle that the company is hoping to “take the UV story beyond Ertiga in coming times”, hinting at the mini SUV based on the XA Alpha concept showcased at this year’s Delhi Auto Expo.

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http://http://indianautosblog.com/20...#ixzz2CVcvAdZL
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The continuing sub par performance of the Jazz underlines the importance of getting the launch right with product and pricing. The Jazz imho is the best value buy in the current market, what a fantastic little car, and its great value. Great space and clever usage, modern design, a peppy engine, honda reliability, low maintenance, decent handling. No other hatch at that price point gives you all this, yet its stagnant.

Mahindra and Renault understand the value of it, the Duster is nowhere near 7 lakhs and neither is the XUV 10 lakhs but these launches built their own impetus and carried the companies through inspite of subsequent price hikes.

Some companies keep on pushing the price points, but they may be happy with larger margin and lower numbers, for others to follow their example for volume models is simply bad strategy. Ultimately the market has be grown and volumes will deliver their own profits and impetus. The launch is the most important thing.
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Honda long resisted developing its own diesel for the European market, where compression-ignition engines have dominated market share for decades......
For the 2013 European-model Civic, Honda is introducing a more appropriately-sized 1.6-liter diesel, which marks the introduction of the Earth Dreams line of engines in Europe.
Compared to the 2.2-liter engine it’s replacing in the Civic, the 1.6-liter engine is a significant 104 lb lighter, and improves upon the 2.2-liter engine’s 53.45 mpg equivalent in the combined European test by more than 10 mpg to 65.3 mpg. Although the 1.6 is slightly down on power compared to the 2.2, it’s still plenty torquey for the compact Civic, producing 118 hp and 221 lb-ft of torque, 30 hp and 37 lb-ft less than the 2.2-liter engine.
The Garrett turbocharger pumps 22 psi into the engine, and the Bosch fuel system operates at a high 26,000 psi for optimized fuel atomization. To reduce emissions, the engine also has high-swirl head ports to reduce hot spots and an exhaust-gas recirculation system to reduce NOx emissions. The engine will be offered first in the Civic in early 2013 and the CR-V later in the year.

Read more: Honda Introduces Earth Dreams 1.6-Liter Diesel for Europe - WOT on Motor Trend

Hope they will introduce the same in India too. Honda will be unstoppable once it gets this Diesel heart. Hope they make these engine in India and export to Europe

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