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Old 1st April 2013, 14:15   #16
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Reading about this type of power outputs feels good but certainly don't fascinate me these days because its just waste of such power if it is coming in AWD option only. Don't know when we would start seeing affordable RWD or AWD cars which are more fun to drive IMO.
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Golf 1.8 Tsi - 10L
Golf 2.0 Tdi - 11L

And spare us the unnecessary electronic junk.
Really wishful thinking . Globally, some of the Golf equivalent trims are priced even higher than the Jetta! Considering the Vento runs to nearly those prices, those prices will never ever happen.
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Guess it is not the first time GOLF is being tested here, check this out:

http://www.motorbeam.com/cars/volksw...as-golf-spied/
SCOOP : VW Golf Spotted Testing In Pune, India-2011_volkswagen_golf_india.jpg

On our very own forum:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...testing-8.html (Volkswagen Golf Spotted Testing)

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That 150PS 1.4L TSi engine is very interesting. I say interesting because while the displacement is same as the 1.4L Jetta, the 150PS output is only possible with the twin charger option. Which means it has a super charger as well as turbocharger.
Super-charger is deployed to increase the low end torque, isn't it?
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The Vento is already selling here at about 10-11 lakhs, I don't think VW would want to pit their premium hatchback against a made for developing country car, at the same time they can't pitch it higher then the Jetta as it will result in the usual 'hatch more expensive then sedan' mindset in Indian's ensuring that the Golf doesn't take off as well as it deserves to.
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Really wishful thinking . Globally, some of the Golf equivalent trims are priced even higher than the Jetta! Considering the Vento runs to nearly those prices, those prices will never ever happen.
In India the whole point of providing Golf is to provide the brilliant motors to people who cant afford Jetta or Laura.

The Laura Diesel Starts at 14.5L. (Then there are discounts)
The Golf can be priced 1-2 L lower. Then take away some of the un-necessary features and reduce one more lakh. It is not impossible to price it around 11-12L
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In India the whole point of providing Golf is to provide the brilliant motors to people who cant afford Jetta or Laura.

The Laura Diesel Starts at 14.5L. (Then there are discounts)
The Golf can be priced 1-2 L lower. Then take away some of the un-necessary features and reduce one more lakh. It is not impossible to price it around 11-12L
Sounds good, but as Vineeth mentioned, in all the markets (it is sold) the Golf is priced above the Jetta (not to mention Laura/Octavia). And just to bring the brand into India, I don’t think VW will dilute the value of its iconic brand.

That said, I believe the scenario could change in a year or so, once we get a taste of expensive hatchbacks in the market (BMW 1-series, Merc A etc.), people may well appreciate the value of Golf at a lower price point.
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Super-charger is deployed to increase the low end torque, isn't it?
Absolutely. A supercharger does not have a lag.
So, a supercharger increases the low-end grunt and a turbocharger is used for the higher revv range.

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Turbochargers suffer (to a greater or lesser extent) from so-called turbo-spool (turbo lag; more correctly, boost lag), in which initial acceleration from low RPM is limited by the lack of sufficient exhaust gas mass flow (pressure). Once engine RPM is sufficient to start the turbine spinning, there is a rapid increase in power, as higher turbo boost causes more exhaust gas production, which spins the turbo yet faster, leading to a belated "surge" of acceleration. This makes the maintenance of smoothly increasing RPM far harder with turbochargers than with engine-driven superchargers, which apply boost in direct proportion to the engine RPM. The main advantage of an engine with a mechanically driven supercharger is better throttle response, as well as the ability to reach full-boost pressure instantaneously. With the latest turbocharging technology and direct gasoline injection, throttle response on turbocharged cars is nearly as good as with mechanically powered superchargers, but the existing lag time is still considered a major drawback, especially considering that the vast majority of mechanically driven superchargers are now driven off clutched pulleys, much like an air compressor.
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Can't buy that. The same engine option is already there is Jetta. Although it produces a lot less power, it is easier to retune the one on Jetta to 150bhp rather than bring in a golf. It sounds like bringing a Bofors cannon to kill a mosquito.
I guess this has something to do with testing the engine with the MQB platform. The new Octavia will use the same MQB platform which underpins the latest Golf snapped here. The current Jetta is not built on that platform.
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What's even more intriguing is as per VW, the 150PS option need 98RON ULSP (Ultra low sulphur petrol) and minimum requirement is 95RON but performance will be reduced.
Does this mean if this engine is launched it might be downgraded by 5-10 hp to meet 91 Octane of our BS4 cities? AFAIK Skoda/VW india have never reduced engine output to meet fuel requirements.

Which begs the question... why not use the existing TSi itself for the Indian market?
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Which begs the question... why not use the existing TSi itself for the Indian market?
Because the 1.4 TSi with just the turbocharger feels a bit slow for a car of its class (Jetta for example).

And 1.8 TSi - even though fun drinks more fuel compared to a 1.4!
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The Golf in the photos is not the Mark 7. Its the Mark 6!

Golf is available in 1.2 TSI, 1.4 TSI, 1.6, 2.0, GTi and R (both petrol and diesel) across various countries, in India they can offer the 1.2TSI and 1.6 TDI to keep the retail prices in check and to bring in customers.

Pushing the Golf to 10 Big ones will be its death warrant!
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Pushing the Golf to 10 Big ones will be its death warrant!
You can guesstimate how much would the Golf 1.4 cost, let's say based on the Jetta 1.4. I believe the Jetta TSI prices are around 13 to 15 lakhs? Assuming the standard price premium the Golf commands almost everywhere else, a Golf 1.4 would cost 14 to 16 lakhs. If they plonk a 1.2 to reduce the price, that would cost maybe 13 lakhs to 15 lakhs again. Unless the perception of the market changes, expensive hatches won't find many buyers. People would rather spend the money on a sedan or a SUV.
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I guess this has something to do with testing the engine with the MQB platform. The new Octavia will use the same MQB platform which underpins the latest Golf snapped here. The current Jetta is not built on that platform.
It is actually. As I had mentioed in the 1st post, they are testing this car as it has the same engine for the new octavia. Probably the same platform also.
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I guess they calculate time taken to cover the distance between 2 toll gates and find the average speed. If its greater than the allowed speed limit (+ some percentage), you will be fined for over-speeding. Say for example the distance between 2 toll gates is 50Kms and you cover the distance in 30 mins, that means your avg speed is 100kmph which is above the speed limit. So you will be fined for over-speeding. Stopping in between adds time and you will not be fined.
Thanks for sharing. When did this start? On my most recent trip 2 weeks back I did not face any issues.
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It is actually. As I had mentioed in the 1st post, they are testing this car as it has the same engine for the new octavia. Probably the same platform also.
You are absolutely right. The Golf MK7 and Octavia 3 share the same platform.
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