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Old 9th April 2013, 11:52   #16
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Agree @drmohitg. Why not the sub-A segment to challenge the Nano?
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If Honda can develop an "all new" diesel engine specially catering to the Indian markets, I'm sure it wouldn't take them long to develop another "all new" sub-1000cc engine for their new A segment car.

What I am concerned about, however, is the equipment level for their new car. Honda has always given sub-par equipment levels on all their cars and one can only wonder what will be given or not given in their future offerings!
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Hello Friends,

My first post in 3 years of membership!

Coming to the topic, there is a category in Japan called as Kei cars or simply K cars which is essentially a Japanese category of small cars with engine capacity limited to 660cc. Given their ultra small size (L=3.4m, B=1.48, H=2m), these cars are quite convenient to drivein crowded cities and makes a lot of sense for a market like India.

Well Honda does have a offering called as N Box featuring a 660cc/63BHP engine which is almost at par with entry B segment cars available in India. In my opinion, this could be a very good move by Honda if they plan to launch these cars in India.

You can get more info about this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_car
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/...ew-honda-n-box

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Coming to the topic, there is a category in Japan called as Kei cars or simply K cars which is essentially a Japanese category of small cars with engine capacity limited to 660cc. Given their ultra small size (L=3.4m, B=1.48, H=2m), these cars are quite convenient to drivein crowded cities and makes a lot of sense for a market like India.

Well Honda does have a offering called as N Box featuring a 660cc/63BHP engine which is almost at par with entry B segment cars available in India. In my opinion, this could be a very good move by Honda if they plan to launch these cars in India.
Nice to see one more BHPian turning from spectator to contributor!

Kei cars are nothing new in India as most A and B segment cars from Suzuki here are actually Kei cars in Japan. Wagon R, Estilo, Alto, AStar, Zen, 800 etc are all current or previous generation Kei cars in Japan. In fact, Wagon R is the best selling Kei car for the last 10 years running.

Suzuki found it more cost effective to introduce these cars in India with a higher capacity engine instead of bringing the turbocharged 2-cyl engine of the Kei cars.

Same would apply to Honda as well. If they want to compete in the cost sensitive A/B segments, they cannot have turbocharged engines as it would escalate the costs. This makes a higher capacity non-turbocharged engine (most likely a 3-cylinder version of the current 1.2L engine) inevitable though they can use the same Kei car frame if the engine bay can accommodate the bigger engine.
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I think Honda should first consolidate its position in the B and C segment and beyond. The entry level Hatch segment is a volumes market and given the current production capacity of Honda, it would not be a great idea to jump into it. Also the profit per car is way less in the entry level segments. They should first ensure the availability of a diesel heart for each of there current offerings and recapture the lost market share rather than launching new cars.
Absolutely agree with you drmohitg on this. Their current production capacity is 10k units/monts which translates to 120k per year. They have announced that would be doubling their capacity soon which I think would be used up by the Brio/Amaze/City demand. If and when they plonk a diesel heart into the City and Brio they would find it difficult to meet demands even with their doubled capacity. Along with that they would need to increase their dealer footprint across the country, moving to tier II cities and the likes because that would be crucial for them to regain lost market share.
IMHO for an Amaze to clock 5k-6k units per months on a consistent basis they would need to need to increase their dealer network by atleast 50% over the next 24 months.

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Hello Friends,

My first post in 3 years of membership!

Coming to the topic, there is a category in Japan called as Kei cars or simply K cars which is essentially a Japanese category of small cars with engine capacity limited to 660cc. Given their ultra small size (L=3.4m, B=1.48, H=2m), these cars are quite convenient to drivein crowded cities and makes a lot of sense for a market like India.

Well Honda does have a offering called as N Box featuring a 660cc/63BHP engine which is almost at par with entry B segment cars available in India. In my opinion, this could be a very good move by Honda if they plan to launch these cars in India.

You can get more info about this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_car
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/...ew-honda-n-box

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Thanks Nalin. I was about to type Kei cars on the address bar of my browser when I saw that you already shared the Wiki link.
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Old 9th April 2013, 17:17   #21
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Honda has many Kie cars (micro cars with 660 cc engines) which if brought to India can create a new segment and reap benefits. Take a look at these pics.
Some old and a new cutie.
Link: http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/2012...3-honda-n-one/
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@rajeev k: I never knew honda had 660cc engines. Thanks for sharing this information!
BTW The above car looks better as compared to the competition. People don't like Alto because of dated design and Eon because of too much curves! This Honda seems better in terms of interior space but exteriors are a big No-No!
The above cutie is an AT, right?
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Doubt Honda could make an A-segment car profitably. In which case they will not launch it at all. There has been a lot of talk of A-segment cars from international car organisations but only Maruti and Hyundai (and Nissan now) can do it.
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@baddychat; With the very compact engine bay they will have to enlarge it in the Brio, City and Civic in order to accommodate the Diesel power plant.
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Globally if we are position the brands from Japan it would presently be roughtly in the order:

Toyota > Nissan > Honda > Suzuki > Mitsubishi

The pricing would also tend to be in a similar order accept in the case of Mitsubishi which is going more and more niche.

So Honda is a good fit for a really small A segment car to take on Suzuki.

We have seen with the Etios and Liva that Toyota too can adapt to Indian pricing (but wished the quality of materials had been a bit better).

Guess this is all forward talk and nothing will really happen prior to 2015 start by when they will increase their manufacturing capacity in India, till then Honda can continue to "Amaze" us.
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The interior is certainly better in the K car than some of the more "premium" offerings we have in higher segments. Honda will have to bring a previous generation car to make it competitive, that shouldn't be a problem as Maruti considers every sticker/headlight job to be a new generation. Question is whether Honda has a good engine for this category the 1.2L is a bit too big and expensive for the segment.
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Honda is definitely capable of bringing a car to challenge the Maruti Alto or the Hyundai Eon. But the thing is Alto sells more than 25,000 units per month where as Honda's total production capacity is 10,000 units as of now. With the release of Amaze Honda will definitely feel the heat. So if Honda plans to bring up a car in the Alto or Eon category they must increase there production atleast upto 20,000 units per month. But as its speculated to come by 2015 by then Honda may turn the scenario with their Amaze!
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Hope/Feel Honda should bring in one of their 800-1000 cc i-DSI engine with this A segment, rather than the i-vtec. Dismal low end torque you see.
Though i-vtec fan all the way.
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