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Old 16th April 2013, 15:33   #16
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While we all agree that all the Toyota Diesel Vehicles are underpowered in general we also seem to feel that those like the Innova etc. when driven by taxi drivers should not have more power.

It is quite funny but then there are so many scorpios and for that matter Xylo that are also used as a Taxi and have much more power than the Innova while be less planted on the road. So if we can life with them we might as well live with Innova Taxi that are high powered. Though if the lower power varient were to be much cheaper and also more fuel effecient then the Taxi guys would automatically for the lesser powered option.
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2014 Toyota Verso becomes the first car to be equipped with a BMW diesel

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Following an agreement with Toyota Motor Europe to supply 1.6-liter and 2.0-liter diesel engines back in March 2012, BMW’s first batch of 1.6-liter diesel engines will be fitted to the 2014 Toyota Verso, with production scheduled to begin in January 2014 at Toyota Motor Manufacturing Turkey’s Adapazari plant.

The 1.6-liter D-4D engine produces a healthy 112 bhp at 4,000 rpm. Torque is at its peak of 270 Nm when the tacho needle bobs between 1,750 and 2,250 rpm. The engine’s CO2 output stands at 119 g/km.

The current gen Verso has been sold in Europe since 2009. However, it is, at present, being sold with an in-house 2.0-liter diesel as the minimum offering. With a length of 4,460 mm, width of 1,790 mm and a height of 1,620 mm, the car is also exported or made in South Africa, China, Israel and Japan.

The 1.6-litre engine is set to be joined by a larger and more powerful 2.0-litre four-cylinder diesel unit in Toyota’s future passenger car range, with vehicles like the top-selling Corolla small car and mid-sized Camry tipped to benefit from the engine sharing deal. .........
1.6L BMW engine on 2014 Toyota Verso:

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More on the 2014 Toyota Verso 1.6L diesel is available in the press release:

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Source:http://www.caradvice.com.au/262820/t...cle-announced/ and http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/...code/28832160#
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2014 Toyota Verso becomes the first car to be equipped with a BMW diesel....
How does BMW engine fare on the reliability front? I know they make cracker of engines but if these are NOT going to last lakhs of kilometers, then Toyota's reputation will take a massive hit. Or is Toyota offering a slightly detuned versions of these engines for better reliability ?
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How does BMW engine fare on the reliability front? I know they make cracker of engines but if these are NOT going to last lakhs of kilometers, then Toyota's reputation will take a massive hit. Or is Toyota offering a slightly detuned versions of these engines for better reliability ?
The power and torque numbers are more or less with the segment and not at BMW levels

This makes me believe the engine is detuned quite a bit, especially the 2.0 litre one to suit Toyota's needs of detuned engine which runs lakhs of miles.
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What I feel is that Toyota should concentrate on keeping the drivability good rather than boosting the PS numbers.

With the 68 PS D-4D on the Etios with tall gearing and negligible lag, cruising at 140 kmph on the highway is a piece of cake. And that too, with full load. Recently, we had a trip to Chennai for relief work. With 6 on board the vehicle and around 250 kgs of luggage, the vehicle never felt short of power thanks to that amazing drivability and peak torque range from 1800 - 2400 rpms.

With the Euro 6 1.4 VGT D-4D variant, Toyota has made this drivability even better. The peak torque of 1.4 D-4D is 205 Nm from as low as 1400 rpms till 2800 rpms! I feel this is what is more desirable in typical Indian driving conditions rather than boosting up the PS figures of turbo charged diesels. I'm eagerly waiting for this engine to debut with the release of VIOS rather than the BMW variants.

More details about the engine @ https://www.toyota-europe.com/world-...4d-euro-6.json

Toyota did this mainly by using
  • A smaller, but efficient turbo &
  • Increasing the common rail pressure to 180 Mpa.

All this done with reduced emissions and unrealistic mileage figures. Toyota claims 3.4 liters per 100 kms ( which will come close to 30 kmpl ). I'm not sure if this is true though.

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