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Old 12th July 2013, 11:32   #76
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On a lighter note, I doubt we would get metal stone-guards in the kabadi market. People who get their cars with the metal stone-guard would soon realize that its actually a good thing.
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Agreed with you, the metal stone guards would be helpful in the long run and anyways the plastic stone guards from M&M are pathetic.
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1. People complaining about the lousy plastic stoneguard would now have a option of opting for a proper metal one from the service-center instead of working out a jugaad solution with the help of a local garage or body shop.
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Agreed with you, the metal stone guards would be helpful in the long run and anyways the plastic stone guards from M&M are pathetic.
How I wish that I had not bothered to change my plastic stone guard for Rs 1600 and waited for the new metallic stone guard!

BTW, has anyone actually seen a new XUV with the lower official GC? It would be interesting to see a photograph of the new stone guard or whatever modification has been done to reduce the GC. All of us here have only been speculating / hypothesizing about the metallic guard but nobody seems to have seen it physically.

I called up my RM today to clarify this but he informed me that the Jamshedpur dealer is yet to receive any 'low-GC' XUV.
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The Boler will become under 4 mtrs, as its sibling the Maxitruck Plus has a smaller nose now.
So the best selling SUV will no longer be a SUV, only as per indian gov.
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Default Re: M&M may modify some SUVs to duck Excise Duties *UPDATE* Pg.3 XUV to lose some GC

this is interesting. For any one who has follows XUV threads in this forum would have already come across
this post
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offici...ml#post3057746 (Mahindra XUV500 : Test Drive & Review)
or this
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post3150784 (Debuda’s Silver Mahindra XUV500 W6 @ Jamshedpur)
or this
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offici...ml#post3060857 (Mahindra XUV500 : Test Drive & Review)

quoting from one of the links above
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Specified ground clearance (200 MM) is supposed to be the MINIMUM clearance from any part of the car's bottom. I just measured the clearance of the plastic cover from the ground and found it to be around 160 MM. Considering that this measurement was done with the car completely unladen, this discovery comes to me as a surprise. I need to have this clarified from M&M. I would also like to know whether the specified GC is supposed to be in unladen or fully loaded condition.
So, you see the actual ground clearance was always 160mm. The only difference is that now M&M has stoffed fooling the customers with exaggerated GC claims
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So, you see the actual ground clearance was always 160mm. The only difference is that now M&M has stoffed fooling the customers with exaggerated GC claims
You stole the words from my mouth. M&M was in a hurry to compete with ARIA and release a product with claims of similar features ( GC 200mm) which it never had.
M&M has played the Indian rules at the launch and also now.
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So, you see the actual ground clearance was always 160mm. The only difference is that now M&M has stoffed fooling the customers with exaggerated GC claims
I think since the guard is currently plastic, it does not count towards the GC. Once it is replaced by a metal guard, the GC can be said to be 160mm as metal counts towards GC. Please correct me if my understanding is incorrect
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why has the govt decided to impose additional tax on :
a) cars longer than 4m
b) cars having engine capacity > 1.2L
c) cars having GC > 160mm
d) ... xxx specs of a vehicle (??)

=> the sole purpose seems to be "to 'ensure' that 'luxury' car buyers (or) 'performance' oriented car buyers (or) 'offroading enthusiasts' (or) buyers targetting a combination of these; who DO NOT fit into the category of 'i just want a fuel efficient small car that will take me from point A to point B, which will guzzle less fuel, which hogs less road-space'; are made to pay more for buying the vehicle"

Now, if the above is the real purpose, which babu came up with the above a) b) c) d) criteria ? all that needed to be done was to impose additional tax based on vehicle cost (just like income tax slabs). The forces of free market will ensure that the more affluent buyers who want more than 'just a car' are taxed more. It was this simple & what we have ended up with, is a set of complex laws which have large loopholes.

This whole 'low GC' with stone guard for the bolero/scorpio/XUV is mahindra's way of telling the govt : 'your loopholes are so big, I can shove an entire XUV through the loophole'
Afterall :( , this is india, where the legislature/babudom makes a forture by carefully planting loopholes into the rules/laws.
The Govt. of India and more so the govt. babus of India are extremely socialist in their outlook even today.

Car is still defined as a luxury in India.

When Maruti came it came with a waiting list and premium. The Govt. had earlier ensured even a Bajaj Scooter does not reach the common man.

So a lot of others came and the Maruti que got busted.

Can the Indian yuppy take a giant leap now - no you are allowed only a small step we are socialists remember.

Can we import a car - no imported cars are for gora sahibs we will tax you like hell if you do that.

So a common indian is supposed to buy and drive an Alto that is commute.

Junior executive - Ok you will get a Wagon R, Santro or i10 and dont get smarter.

Broke through the 20 L a year CTC barrier, a senior executive now ? Or a well settled Doctor or Well you can have a Honda city while your classmate in Dubai at the same salary drives an accord or Mitsubishi Pajero at the same price you paid for your City.

These are the traits of a young prosperous progressive India.

If an Indian has a further break and has a BMW or Mercedese maybe only a C class or a simple E 230 chances are he has sold his fathers land or has reached a league of hobnobbing with some middle level netas, source of income a mysterious sum never disclosed to the IT hawks.

That is India for you!
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this is interesting. For any one who has follows XUV threads in this forum would have already come across
this post
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offici...ml#post3057746 (Mahindra XUV500 : Test Drive & Review)
or this
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post3150784 (Debuda’s Silver Mahindra XUV500 W6 @ Jamshedpur)
or this
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offici...ml#post3060857 (Mahindra XUV500 : Test Drive & Review)

quoting from one of the links above


So, you see the actual ground clearance was always 160mm. The only difference is that now M&M has stoffed fooling the customers with exaggerated GC claims
Yes i did find this unusual and reported the same in the above links. As you can see in my ordeal that night. That plastic cover touched that rock, while a Innova with 5-6 people on board went over easily. Also you can clearly see from front angel that plastic guard is no way near 200 mark for sure.
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Default Re: Mahindra XUV500 : Test Drive & Review

Gentlemen who've recently got their XUV500s, does the new 'stonegaurd' hit the speedbreakers?

I personally think it's a brilliant idea... saving off 33,000 on taxes by playing around a rule.

Has anyone of you'll contemplated removing it to restore the higher ground clearence?
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Gentlemen who've recently got their XUV500s, does the new 'stonegaurd' hit the speedbreakers?

I personally think it's a brilliant idea... saving off 33,000 on taxes by playing around a rule.

Has anyone of you'll contemplated removing it to restore the higher ground clearence?
Hi ifly,

I got my XUV last week and it has the old plastic guard installed. In fact, upon discussion with a senior Mahindra official, I was told that even for the new batches, the physical ground clearance of the vehicle would remain the same. The only change would be that the plastic guard would be changed to a metal guard just to get around the weird GC rule that the Government has come up with. They have just changed the way the GC of a car is measured. A metal guard would be considered as an integral part of the body while a plastic guard was not. But the important point to note is that the actual GC remains unchanged.

In fact, off the record the dealership personnel also told me that it is possible that Mahindra continues to sell the XUV with the plastic guard only without any of the Government watchdogs noticing.
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