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View Poll Results: Which nationality auto manufacturer knows India best?
Koreans 58 32.04%
Japanese 110 60.77%
Germans 7 3.87%
Italians 4 2.21%
French 0 0%
Americans 1 0.55%
British 1 0.55%
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Old 25th May 2006, 20:18   #16
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It has to be japanese without any element of doubt.. 800 is THE CAR a common man(read middle class) would think of even now..
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Old 25th May 2006, 20:21   #17
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@ Gordon..!

" best among these have to be the Japanese and Koreans. To be precise: Suzuki, Honda and Hyundai. "

You Forgot Mitsubishi & Toyota..!

And for most of the Korean Supporters, Please consider the market you are talking about before sayin which has more presidence over the other..Japanese Car Companies are World leaders in Sedan and Comfort Cars...Generally don;t make small cars..but when they do they do a great job at it..! Korean Manufacturer " Hyundai " makes only the best compact cars..None of their higher segments can match the Japanese..!

Americans would be the worlds best SUV and Pick-up truck makers- GM-Ford-Buick-Jeep Cherokee etc

Sport Cars- Italians Rule- Lamborgini , Ferrari

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Old 25th May 2006, 20:30   #18
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Suzuki no doubt... Known for their good Fuel efficiency (important criteria for small car buyers) AND performance (in sedans).. not to forget the comfort levels..
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Old 25th May 2006, 20:36   #19
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Everyone here says Japanese on the basis of Suzuki's success. Let us remember that this market was literally handed over to them and then protected from competition for nearly 15 years before it was opened up to others.

I would like to see what Suzuki would have done if they didnt have the protection they had for years.

For knowing India best, I would say Tata, followed by Mahindra. Not because they make fantastic cars, but because they have tailormade products for the requirements of this market.

Hence you got a small car with big interiors, good fuel economy, comfortable seating and access and just the basic equipment that people wanted. All within the budget of smaller cars.

You also got an SUV (Scorpio) with impressive, expensive looks, basic interiors, just enough space and a superlative engine. The Scorpio is the right upgrade for a person currently on the Indigo/Indica platform, all within the budget of C-segment cars.

They have given products that the market wants. The others have made the market want the products that they brought down.
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Old 25th May 2006, 20:44   #20
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Everyone here says Japanese on the basis of Suzuki's success. Let us remember that this market was literally handed over to them and then protected from competition for nearly 15 years before it was opened up to others.
Totally what I was saying some posts back. But the I am kind of ambivalent on Tata and Mahindra being better than Hyudai. They may have made vehicles for the conditions, but I think Hyundai can teach them a lesson on marketing. Hmmmm ...
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Old 26th May 2006, 04:32   #21
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Moreover, Peugeot doesn't seem to be interested in the Indian market.
Even if they do, I doubt they would be popular judging by their past habits. This is what the company announced:
They thought they could sell outdated cars and make the cash register ring!!!!!!!! They got what they deserved. What sells in Africa doesnt sell in India. Their marketing gurus perhaps forgot that.
the Peugeot 309 wasn't as old/outdated as the Suzuki products Maruti-Udyog has been selling in India since the 1980s.
it flopped due to service issues which happend when the PAL group (that it was tied up with) had problems in their manufacturing plants.
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Old 26th May 2006, 08:25   #22
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Everyone here says Japanese on the basis of Suzuki's success. Let us remember that this market was literally handed over to them and then protected from competition for nearly 15 years before it was opened up to others.

I would like to see what Suzuki would have done if they didnt have the protection they had for years.

For knowing India best, I would say Tata, followed by Mahindra. Not because they make fantastic cars, but because they have tailormade products for the requirements of this market.

Hence you got a small car with big interiors, good fuel economy, comfortable seating and access and just the basic equipment that people wanted. All within the budget of smaller cars.

You also got an SUV (Scorpio) with impressive, expensive looks, basic interiors, just enough space and a superlative engine. The Scorpio is the right upgrade for a person currently on the Indigo/Indica platform, all within the budget of C-segment cars.

They have given products that the market wants. The others have made the market want the products that they brought down.
Leads me to two other questions:

1. Going through the comments, i wonder how long before the Tatas, mahindras in automotive segment and the Bajaj, TVS, Hero in the motorcycle segment rule the market and give the "ferangs" a tough time and to an extent fold up/bought over by the Indian manufacturers. Looks like the tatas are getting there with their indica. Will tata have the answer for the C, D, E segments to become #1 in India? Will Mahindra be the #1 SUV manufacturer in the country across segments? The Bajaj, Hero and TVS's have shown that they can be #1 in the two wheeler segment.
>> My guess would be around 7-10 years

2.To extend this, when will Indian manufacturers using the second largest consumer market as a perfect testing ground start becoming a global leader? Will we see the likes of proton (malaysian) or a chinese car manufacturers (aka Lenova throught an acquistion in PCs). So when will we see a Tata being considered as an alternative brand (at least in the B segment) in Europe and Asia though the US does not have a strong need for this segment.
>> My guess would be around 15 years
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Old 26th May 2006, 08:33   #23
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If you are talking about B segmet its Hyundai/Tata/Suzuki
Lower C segment its again Hyundai / Honda / Ford (Late)
Upper C segment its Skoda / Honda
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Hyundai never had the right products for India , but they were always right on how to make people think that they have the right car and their marketing is a testimony for that fact (by this I dont mean their cars are bad , what I mean is their cars are meant more for a developed country with a good ntework of roads where weaker suspensions becomes no cause of worry) . Indian cars needs to be robust like a Ford/Fiat but hyundai came with their Accent easily captured the segment for a while purely coz of marketing statergy and right now after the launch of Crdi people are singing Hallelujah ! in the name of Hyundai , . Santro is another case , where its all about service . Fiat should have crushed the segment (Leaving aside the gen eral service of Fiat which surely is a concern among most ) with their Palio being a great car not just for looks , its safe , its good to drive , its solid and it has great engine options if someone is interested in spirited driving , instead Palio was crushed ...f@#$%...s@#$$ big time by santro . I mean one is doing 12000 units a month , and the other one barely 600 . I am a Fiat fan and I regret to say that their problem is the opposite of santro
Fiat always had the right product for India , but sadly they were never right on how to make people aware of the fact that they have a great car , their sales chart is a testimony for that fact

If there is a great product and the marketing/after sales support sucks people still buy it - example - Opel Astra, skoda octavia (perceived solidity and the chances of it going broke are remote, so you could live with bad after sales support)
dont buy it - example - Fiat, Ford Mondeo (product was considered fragile and needed after sales support and it was not there in the case of Fiat)

If the product is OK and the marketing is great people buy it - Hyundai

If the product is bad and the marketing is bad - disaster - PAL peugeot!
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Hmm.... I dont think that PAL Peugeot 309 was a Bad car. The issues it had was an totally outdated looks & after sales service. But the engine (diesel) is Best till date.
309 GLD is a great car and it was perfect for India , the culprit was labour issues at manufacuring unit from which incident they lost trust in their JV (intelligent decision to leave PAL).
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Although Maruti 800 is the car in India, I would still put my money on Ford.
It's not about producing cheap fuel efficient cars, it's about introducing new technology and providing cars which had a good track record.
The Ford Escort when it was launched in India was one of the best in its class, it was one of the 1st cars in India to have fuel injection and had a very good fit and finish and was strong. It drank a bit more fuel but I can live with it.
Nowadays, the Ikon 1.3 and 1.6 are good cars and the Mondeo is a gem of a car.
And now the Fiesta, what more do u want? Not to forget their SUV Endeavour.
Their only failure I would say was the Fusion. They just didn't get it right.

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Although Maruti 800 is the car in India, I would still put my money on Ford.
It's not about producing cheap fuel efficient cars, it's about introducing new technology and providing cars which had a good track record.
The Ford Escort when it was launched in India was one of the best in its class, it was one of the 1st cars in India to have fuel injection and had a very good fit and finish and was strong. It drank a bit more fuel but I can live with it.
Nowadays, the Ikon 1.3 and 1.6 are good cars and the Mondeo is a gem of a car.
And now the Fiesta, what more do u want? Not to forget their SUV Endeavour.
Their only failure I would say was the Fusion. They just didn't get it right.
Ford always sold good numbers but none of their products other than Fiesta sold like say a Honda City . They sold well ...but It can never be termed as outright success . Ford escort sold well for short span of time . Now IKON is almost a success . Ford Endeavour ?????? Its no doubt a real rugged SUV but it never sold as much as a honda CRV .
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Old 26th May 2006, 10:14   #27
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it has to be the japanese....honda,toyota and most importantly suzuki have made it big in india,just because of the products they have to offer....they understand the consumers need and offer products at an attractive price...
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Correct me if i'm wrong. Wasn't Cielo the first car in india to comeup with MPFI engine?
That's why I said one of the 1st cars in India. But both of them kicked a**.
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Old 26th May 2006, 10:36   #29
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309 was a good car and also the palio is. But bothe of them were doomed by the After sales service.

Look at TATA, Mahindra, we all agree there car's are not good enough as compared to competition, also they do not have great marketin/service like hyundai. But see how many cars they sell. One look at the road and you can see them jostling for space with the japanese and the koreans.

So, who knows India better. Rememeber they both entered late. And already have made a mark. Can you remember the day Suzuki announced a price cut? It was the same day a truck maker launched its car.

Suzuki has quite well understood India, so they still manage to sell 800 and Omni. Even got improved version of them few days back.

Don't confuse TBHPinas as India we are a niche segment of the total population, to the car manufactureres. At the max they would make one model to please us, to make reputation with the maases, who are going to buy the other 5 models in there portfolio.
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without doubt..SUZUKI!

Which other manufacturer has lead the sales charts for the last 2 decades??
For heaven's sakes...they are still selling the M800, and Omni here..so it means they are doing something right..no?
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