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Old 7th August 2014, 11:18   #91
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Folks than we going off topic, we would need some lead that can help us as citizens of this big country move freely across the state borders in our own cars.

I am sure that there will be atleast one Bhpian who can help in terms of how to file a PIL / initiate a movement that can help this cause.

In today's world, be it a Banglorean who have paid 16% on road tax or someone from the union territories who have paid much lesser, its definite that he/she would cross borders for work or study within our nation. And the least thing that one would want is to again pay road tax again and go behind the RTO agents to get refund.
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Folks than we going off topic, we would need some lead that can help us as citizens of this big country move freely across the state borders in our own cars.
Ours is a federal nation, so states have their own laws on most of these areas like road & fuel taxes, 18+ states have to agree to give it up to Central Govt, which will never happen.

Look at how difficult it is to get GST to pass even when Fuel taxes are out of scope. See how FDI retail was opposed last year on pretext of federalism.

But yes, if someone has that much spare time to chase this uniform road tax thing.. feel free.
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There is no way the center can mandate a uniform tax rate to the states without being in breach of the constitution of the country. Besides, in a federal democracy such as ours, it is only fair that the states have a say in these matters.

What the center can certainly help negotiate and push the states to do is easier movement of vehicles across states, certainly to allow people refunds of road tax already paid if they are moving the vehicle to a lower road taxed state. Something on the lines of the number portability system for mobiles. This will also give a strong push to the second hand car market.
Sir, I teach Political Science and Constitutional law for a living and have been doing so for more than 2 decades. I would request you to not take things such as Federal Democracy for granted in India just because you see two levels of governance. India is NOT a federal democracy, at this point federalism is perhaps just an aspiration.

My second point flows out of this, if there is an attempt by the Central Government to usurp the power of levying taxes on motor vehicles, it is NOT in breach of the constitution. The levying of taxes by either government is an arrangement between the centre and the state and taxes levied by the state government also have a component of sharing with the central government; the best example being income tax.

The fact that India is not Federal is borne out by the use of the article 3 of the Indian constitution which gives the right to the centre to bifurcate/merge or change status of a state to Union Territory without consulting State government, to impose President's rule and also to override State legislation on subjects that are a part of the concurrent list.

The Indian constitution is heavily tilted towards empowering the centre vis a vis the states. That is why you will hear the debate between people about how to interpret the constitution (by letter which means go by the wording or by spirit which means interpret what wordings could mean in changing contexts).

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The average salaries and standard of living is high in Scandinavia BECAUSE of their last century of steady progress & aam aadmi taking part in society building & governance. You should see the participation of people there in building society meetings, local community programs, politics, NGOs, governance.. is just far far better than ours.

If only we invest the money we waste on religion here into social programs, health, sports etc. we will improve our standard of living a couple of decades faster.
I feel sad when I read posts such as these. People do not take into consideration various different variables some of which will be independent and others dependent on the independent variables before reaching sweeping conclusions.

The tragic thing is by levelling down historical developments to a uniform playing field and by not identifying the variables that should go into comparisons, people arrive at nonsensical comparisons which do not speak of anything coherently. My sadness stems out of the fact that these comparisons are a result of stereotypes which glorify the West and denigrate our own country. Both systems have flaws and you cannot selectively pick and choose one or two aspects that will support the conclusions that you already have in your mind.


My intention is not hurt, offend, belittle or denigrate anyone or their abilities and therefore request you to treat this post in the spirit in which it was made. Thank you and apologies if anyone feels hurt for that is really not the intention.

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Then you must also mention what the average salaries in India are and what they are in Scandinavia.
Its not just about average salaries but about cost of living. A country may have a high average saary and so will be a high cost of living. Still a developed and developing country cannot be compared on such indices.
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The tragic thing is by levelling down historical developments and by not identifying the variables that should go into comparisons people arrive at nonsensical comparisons which do not speak of anything coherently. My sadness stems out of the fact that these comparisons stem out of stereotypes which glorify the West and denigrate our own country. Both systems have flaws and you cannot selectively pick and choose one or two aspects that will support the conclusions that you already have in your mind.
There are many good things about the West which we must acknowledge, learn from & adapt to our use. Its sad that any praise of anything West seems like 'denigrating our own country' to some insecure citizens.

I lived in Scandinavia for some years & moved back to India just because I love life here more. But no harm in admiring some of their successes?
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No Sir, Mr. Surya, I am not saying all that is Western is bad or that all that is Indian is good. Neither am I implying that praising something about the west is automatically a denigration of India. I have not lived abroad but I have travelled extensively and I agree with you that there are many things in the West that are worthy of admiration and emulation. All I am saying is that when comparisons are made and we introduce the variable of religion as one of the reasons for our backwardness I will disagree. Religion is as much an issue in the West as it is in India. Remember the father and son BUSH claiming that God was on their side when they separately invaded Iraq.

Similarly aam admi of India cannot be compared with the aam admi of another country because the ground realities are very different. I have no problem with the acceptance that the people in the west have greater civic sense, driving sense and overall a greater sense of social responsibility.

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Its not just about average salaries but about cost of living. A country may have a high average saary and so will be a high cost of living. Still a developed and developing country cannot be compared on such indices.

All comparisons aside, my grouse was high taxes in my state, AP. The greediest state where you have to pay 14 per cent life tax on new vehicle. Somebody please tell me there is a worse state in India and that will be a consolation for me. By the way, now that Hyderabad has parted ways, these AP moronic politicians have become more revenue greedy ( as though they were any less ) and I'm sure they will increase it further.
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All comparisons aside, my grouse was high taxes in my state, AP. The greediest state where you have to pay 14 per cent life tax on new vehicle. Somebody please tell me there is a worse state in India and that will be a consolation for me. By the way, now that Hyderabad has parted ways, these AP moronic politicians have become more revenue greedy ( as though they were any less ) and I'm sure they will increase it further.
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Karnataka is the only state where Lifetime Road Tax is 20-22% depending on the Model and Type.

Still you state is charging lower tax.

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All comparisons aside, my grouse was high taxes in my state, AP. The greediest state where you have to pay 14 per cent life tax on new vehicle. Somebody please tell me there is a worse state in India and that will be a consolation for me. By the way, now that Hyderabad has parted ways, these AP moronic politicians have become more revenue greedy ( as though they were any less ) and I'm sure they will increase it further.
I m also in Hyd and the only consolation is that my frnz in BLR pay more road tax than me
On a serious note its just not the road tax but even the cost of the car is India is inflated due to heavy taxation in terms of excise and VAT. And there are any imported parts then a handful of more duties.

One good index is the ratio of local salary to local cost of the car I drive. In India the car I drive costed me 6 months of my take home salary whereas the same car when I was in UK costed me 3 months of my UK take home salary. Only consolation is that depreciation in India is at a lesser rate.
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Karnataka is the only state where Lifetime Road Tax is 20-22% depending on the Model and Type.

Still you state is charging lower tax.
20-22 %? That is daylight robbery. Why doesn't Karnataka Govt. also start pickpocketing its citizens? Or looting them at gun point? When some northern states can have as little as 3-4 % life tax , what is so great about these greedy southern states? This is not taxation. It is extortion.
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There are many good things about the West which we must acknowledge, learn from & adapt to our use. Its sad that any praise of anything West seems like 'denigrating our own country' to some insecure citizens.
I was shocked to read in the latest NatGeo that one in eight households in the US are forced to skip meals - this is Poverty, by any definition. This number in only one in twenty in Europe.
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I was shocked to read in the latest NatGeo that one in eight households in the US are forced to skip meals - this is Poverty, by any definition. This number in only one in twenty in Europe.
Europe is definitely more socialist, has better HDI & social security net than US. US is more pro-market, aggressive & tough.

Europe model is more susceptible to economic troughs, like example of Greece, Portugal; while US model tends to balance itself as its more open.

We need to be a mix of both as seen during the last decade where we managed reasonably well.
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It is NatGeo of August 2014, and the US statistic is one in six and not one in eight!
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A welcome news. Hope it gets implemented as soon as possible. Living in Bangalore and purchasing a vehicle is day light robbery. And its not like we have the roads and infrastructure to justify paying that much tax.

This ridiculous Karnataka Government is hell bent on screwing us over with high taxes on everything from Liquor to Gold to Road tax to Tax on fuel.
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