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Old 9th June 2013, 13:34   #1
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Default Chevrolet issues recall for 1.3L SMARTEC diesel Sail U-VA & sedan

General Motors has suspended the production and sale of the Chevrolet Tavera BS-III and the Sail sedan and UVA diesel variant.

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General Motors has identified a potential emissions performance issue with the Tavera BS-III and a quality issue with the Chevrolet Sail sedan and Sail UVA diesel. But the company clearly states that ‘neither issue is safety-related’. The directives from the company to the pan-India dealerships are to temporarily stop selling these cars with immediate effect.
However, General Motors says that the Tavera BS-IV and Sail sedan and Sail UVA petrol models remain unaffected by this problem


http://www.autox.in/general-motors-tavera-sail/

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Default Re: General Motors India suspends production and sale of Tavera and Sail diesel varia

I guess its the same diesel engine in Sail sedan and Enjoy. How can't there be emissions issues with the Enjoy then?
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I guess it is because the standard is different for 5 seaters and 7+ seaters.
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General Motors has suspended the production and sale of the Chevrolet Tavera BS-III and the Sail sedan and UVA diesel variant.
There were reports of Engine problem in diesel variant of Sail UVA, initially assumed due to the turbocharger but later found due to engine itself. Even during the TD last month I realised engine felt stressed in each gear when revved and speed was kind of restricted in 4th and 5th gear, this feedback was not from my experience one but also revealed by other confident sources. The engine issue looks to be a QC problem and related to manufacturing.
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Surprisingly, this from an Engine they co-developed with Fiat, the national engine of India, being used in almost 23-24 cars, the Fiat 1.3mjd! It's time they pulled up their socks and developed their products with a little more precaution. Didn't they come across such stuff during trial runs?
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Default Re: General Motors India suspends production and sale of Tavera and Sail diesel varia

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There were reports of Engine problem in diesel variant of Sail UVA, initially assumed due to the turbocharger but later found due to engine itself. Even during the TD last month I realised engine felt stressed in each gear when revved and speed was kind of restricted in 4th and 5th gear, this feedback was not from my experience one but also revealed by other confident sources. The engine issue looks to be a QC problem and related to manufacturing.
Are you sure about this?

I test drove the Sail UVA Diesel a couple of times.
It felt quite good and in fact in one of my test drives I had driven it immediately after the Amaze Diesel and I found the Sail better.

Can you please point to the reports you mentioned about.
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Are you sure about this?

I test drove the Sail UVA Diesel a couple of times.
It felt quite good and in fact in one of my test drives I had driven it immediately after the Amaze Diesel and I found the Sail better.

Can you please point to the reports you mentioned about.
I fully agree to you, I too have driven Sail Hatch and found it quite good in terms of road manners and pulling.

I was not happy with the resale value of my Indica offered by them and decided not to take the purchase decision.

Anyways, if there are any issues with the car, they should better address them. Also keeping fingers crossed for similar reports for Amaze Diesel (Honda better not else MSIL will use this as opportunity to make it part of their adv. strategy)
I am now waiting for the Diwali discounts, quite hopeful of getting good offers on car this season.

Cheers

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This is certainly bad news and bad press if news about engine trouble spreads. We Indians are already baised towards a Chinese product and if there is additional issue with the motor then no amount of damage control would make good.

This is at a time when these cars were just about taking off the shelves with some strong demand for the competent and well rounded sedan. GM should pull out all plugs to make any ammends and bring it back to showrooms asap as though it has been business as usual all this while else they will loose and that too very badly.
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Default Rumour: GM stops sales of Sail, UVA (Diesel models) and Tavera (BSIII models)

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GM has announced a stop to sales of Sail, UVA and Tavera models, according to some dealers after GM suspects issues with the 1.3 Diesel engine which power the Sail and UVA twins.

Also, sales of the BSIII models of Tavera have also been stopped.

They may also announce a recall of Sail and UVA diesel cars.
Source: News Link

This is a welcome move, as this shows that India based car manufacturers are taking quality seriously and not merely washing their hands of the car, once sold.
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Quality issue with the 1.3 diesel engine , that looks like a batch of defective parts rather than a design problem. But what exactly, they haven't clarified. Wonder if it's to with the turbo which GM claims is their own and different from the Fiat MJD turbos. No reason for 1.3 MJD owners to be worried, I think. Also this engine is manufactured by GM itself, not supplied by Fiat, isn't it ?
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After watching a lot of Crime Patrol lately where the police vehicle is a spanking new White Tavera and having sat in one earlier; the vehicle seems to be growing on me.. Pity that there is absolutely zilch Safety gear on this one.
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Default GM stops production of Tavera and two diesel variants of Sail

So, it seems like GM is stopping the production of Tavera and two diesel variants of Sail (The recently launched notchback and hatchback versions) due to emmision issues. The petrol variants of the same is seemingly unaffected.


Source: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/20542811.cms
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Default re: General Motors temporarily suspends production and sale of the Tavera & Sail diesels

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This is a welcome move, as this shows that India based car manufacturers are taking quality seriously and not merely washing their hands of the car, once sold.
I would reserve that comment till they announce recall for the cars that are already sold. They have not committed to recall yet, which means they are not yet sure of the resolution and the cost involved. If the cost to fix it in already sold cars is high, it would be interesting to see if they would go ahead with a recall.

If they identified a flaw in these models that is serious enough to lead to a stoppage of production, then the customers who already bought these models deserve the resolution irrespective of the cost involved. Lets see how this shapes up.
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Default re: General Motors temporarily suspends production and sale of the Tavera & Sail diesels

Spotted!

Chevrolet (Re)testing the SAIL sedan on the Mumbai Pune expressway. I could not take a picture because it was travelling at quite decent speed and it was raining heavily. Seems chevy need some more time and testing to identify the problem.

Also, we all spotted the SAIL twins upteen number of times across 4-5 months. How did such a fault not come up during such rigorous testing?
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