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Old 26th October 2013, 13:07   #76
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....There is brighter side to this meeting 1) Uniform tax across all states and 2) No tax for movement of vehicles of more than 2 years age across states...
Are you sure of these two rules?

If so, bring this on and I shall happily pay the additional taxes on my second car !
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Libertarianism is good in theory, but somebody has to build that road on which you want to drive your tax-free car.

In Mumbai, the additional tax proposed will come to 400 cr to 800 cr (depending on the tax rate approved) and will be given to the roads autority - MMRDA or BMC for improving the infrastructure.

There is nothing wrong with this in principle, though the inner libertarian among us gets cynical about it sometimes and wonders how much money will line the pockets of the corrupt. At least, give it a chance before becoming cynical. If you have given up on this society already, emigrate.
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Old 26th October 2013, 15:06   #78
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There is brighter side to this meeting 1) Uniform tax across all states and 2) No tax for movement of vehicles of more than 2 years age across states.
Yes every one forgot the other decisions which were taken on that meeting. Still there should be lots of clarifications regarding the inter-state transfer of vehicles. We should wait and see how they are going to track the actual date of boarder crossing.
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This can be good initiative provided two points are considered before implementation:
1. Government provide the usable and effective public transport systems
2. Ministers and legislators lead this initiative by disposing off their fleets.
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Flocks with Rolls, Porsche etc , how do you manage?

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Same question. In Trivandrum, I find it difficult to park even my hatchback (RITZ)! And to find KSRTC cutting down on the schedules which makes already existing overcrowding worse. If these people run proper KSRTC services like what they did even 5years back, I would think twice before taking my car!
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This can be good initiative provided two points are considered before implementation:
1. Government provide the usable and effective public transport systems
2. Ministers and legislators lead this initiative by disposing off their fleets.
In Kerala context,
#1: Public transport is indeed getting worse day by day.
#2: Fleet is typically small in most cases with just one pilot/escort vehicle. Still, the pilot/escort vehicles have managed to cause a few accidents recently.
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....There is brighter side to this meeting .... 2) No tax for movement of vehicles of more than 2 years age across states..
Why two years, let the thieves and crooks suffer.
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Why two years, let the thieves and crooks suffer.
As per the proposal, if the vehicle is less than 2 years old, owner needs to pay the road tax again in the new state and get the tax refunded from the old state. In case the vehicle is older than 2 years, owner need not pay the road tax in the new state.

I guess this might be to help ensure people don't buy new vehicles from near by UT or states which could have lower on road price.
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I guess this might be to help ensure people don't buy new vehicles from near by UT or states which could have lower on road price.
But there is a proposal for uniform tax across all states. In that case vehicle purchase from other states to save tax will automatically stop.
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But there is a proposal for uniform tax across all states. In that case vehicle purchase from other states to save tax will automatically stop.
Even if road tax is uniform, there are other forms of taxes like sales tax, VAT etc that get added to the factory price. Some of these taxes being in State list, Union territories do not have these and hence the cars will always be cheaper there. Even among the taxes from the State list, different states follow different levels of taxation which I guess is dependent on what they need to encourage in-house and what they need to import from other states. Unfortunately, auto industry and fuel are probably among the items that the most states use to get the 'remaining revenue' needed to run the government after they've given tax concessions on basic amenities and other sectors that have public or personal interests.
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But there is a proposal for uniform tax across all states. In that case vehicle purchase from other states to save tax will automatically stop.
The proposal is not to have a uniform tax across states - it is to have a uniform MINIMUM tax of 6%. States like MH and KA would be free to continue with 20% tax.
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Libertarianism is good in theory, but somebody has to build that road on which you want to drive your tax-free car.

In Mumbai, the additional tax proposed will come to 400 cr to 800 cr (depending on the tax rate approved) and will be given to the roads autority - MMRDA or BMC for improving the infrastructure.

There is nothing wrong with this in principle, though the inner libertarian among us gets cynical about it sometimes and wonders how much money will line the pockets of the corrupt. At least, give it a chance before becoming cynical. If you have given up on this society already, emigrate.
Giving a chance is not a bad idea, the problem is if it not working do we have the possibility to reverse it?

Well I have never seen this happening, so one has to be certain of what is being imposed. Even the present speed limit of 50 kmph has not been changed while the vehicle technology has improved several notches.

Please see how our state and central governments function, how open they are to the new ideas (barring picking up opportunities to make money). Look at what you get in Europe for the taxes paid and what is offered here in India. For how many decades we will keep on harping about our recent independance from the brits - well it was 1947.

I pay taxes but

- Still moving my car on poor roads
- Cannot use Government Hospitals
- Cannot even think of sending my child to a Government run School

Whereever the infrastructure is good, I am asked to pay additional tax (toll). The government is cheating me by putting toll on daily roads (Delhi Gurgaon, Mumbai Sea Link etc)

There has to be a limit to things, 2% or whatever %, why the system is not accountable? Why public infrastructure is so very bad even in A class cities, B & C - well there is nothing to talk about them.

To me, lack of transparent behaviour is the main cause of unrest.
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Another great reason to support live-in relationships

Also, men that are legally allowed to maintain more than 1 wife, what about their plight? Are they allowed 1 car/wife or 1 car/family.

Rough times ahead...
Why on god's name would any one want to do this to himself ? He will have bigger plight's than paying taxes if he has two wives.

Being basically from kerala, I would just like to say that if they were to tax people, they need to provide the people with better facilities. Comparing to any other state, kerala has the worst roads.

The system of the taxes should be centralized. How can one people of state pay and other state not ? I don't think there is any other state which has proposed this measure.
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Being basically from kerala, I would just like to say that if they were to tax people, they need to provide the people with better facilities. Comparing to any other state, kerala has the worst roads.
True that roads in Kerala are in bad condition. But compared to other states like Karnataka, there are roads to almost every place in the state. Contrast that with Karnataka, where the moment you leave the cities and towns, tarred roads cease to exist.

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The system of the taxes should be centralized. How can one people of state pay and other state not ? I don't think there is any other state which has proposed this measure.
Although a single tax system across the country sounds nice, I disagree with that. We are a large country and needs more federalism and not centralization. Each state should be allowed to create their own policies so that they can be tailored to the region.
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