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Old 1st August 2007, 11:39   #631
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My sicere thanks to TBHP, the fellow TBHPeans and this thread...

This is an amazing place.

Just when I was considering buying a Safari....I got all the info and help here on time (in fact this site taught me the habit of doing research before buying)...

Though the Safari test drive helped me to completely drop the idea of buying one, I am still hooked to this thread. I think these threads are a BIG BIG help to motorists in India.

Knowledge is power.

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As a follow up of my horrible feedback to Tata Motors after the Dicor 3.0 TD, their territory manager visited me with a brand new Dicor 3.0 (and it was in much better shape than the previous vehicle) and just listened to me and answered all my issues (no real answers mind you as we all know too much about the vehicle already because of TBHP). But when I asked him about 2.2 Dicor and stuff....oh boy he was so impressed....within a couple of minutes he took a note (mentally) that the customer is knowledgeable so better share all the data....so he gave away this -

1) 2.2 will be launched NOW (not later). Vx will get powerful engine.

2) He ack'ed that the rear row middle seat is hard like a stone (due to the stone-like armrest) and promised to take it as a product feedback.

3) He tried to defend that the steering is indirect "on purpose". When I started laughing, he made a unique offer - "Sir, it's for safety of all general customers, but for knowledgeable customers like you, we can reduce the steering play before giving the delivery!!!!!"....I was speechless.

I have invited him to T-BHP.
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Here is the translated specifications (tried my best, E&OE)

Dimensions (in millimeters)

LENGTH: 4810
HEIGHT: 1925
WIDTH: 1810; 1918 with lateral footrests
STEP: 2650
FREE HEIGHT FROM EARTH: 205
FRONT JOLT: 945
POSTERIOR JOLT: 1055; 1215 to the spare wheel
FRONT TRACK: 1500
POSTERIOR TRACK; 1470
DIMENSIONS BAGGAGE CABIN: 1070 x 800 x 1090

Weights (in kilograms)

WITH LEADING TYRE: 2175
THE MAXIMUM WEIGHT ADMITTED: 2780
CAPACITY: 605
MAXIMUM WEIGHT RIMORCHIABILE: 2000

Engine

TYPE: 4 Dicor Cylinders 05 TD Intercooler
INJECTION SYSTEM: direct Injection Common Rail
CYLINDER(cc): 2179 cm3
COMPRESSION RATIO: 17,2:1
BORE PER CYLINDER: 85,0 x 96,0 millimeter
MAXIMUM POWER: 103 kW/4000 rpm
MAXIMUM TORQUE: 320 Nm/1700 - 2700rpm
ALTERNATOR: 12V/135A
MAXIMUM SPEED: 160 km/h

Transmission

GEARS: 5 speed + synchromesh + 5 marce reduced synchronized
TRACTION: Posterior with electrical 4WD

Other characteristics

SEATING TOTAL: 5
SAFETY SYSTEM: SRS with airbag leading side and passenger side - belts
TERGICRISTALLO: to three speed with intermittent regulator
FRONT SUSPENSIONS: double cross-sectional arm with torsion bars
POSTERIOR SUSPENSIONS: 5 pulling and Coil springs
BRAKING SYSTEM: hydraulic engineer with independent circuits, ABS with EBD
BRAKES: Disc with Auto ventilation/ auto recording to drum front axle\ rear axle mechanical
PARKING BRAKE: Mechanical, agent on the rear axle Servo assist
STEERING SYSTEM: collapsible steering
MINIMAL DIAMETER OF TURN: 12 m
TYRES: 235/70 R16; 235/75 R15
CIRCLES: 6.5J x 16
FUEL TANK CAPACITY: 65 liters
CONSUMPTIONS (CITY/EXTRA URBAN/MIXED): 9.4/6.8/7.7 liters every 100 km
EMISSIONS: 205 g/km

We'll get the same specifications here too.
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3) He tried to defend that the steering is indirect "on purpose". When I started laughing, he made a unique offer - "Sir, it's for safety of all general customers, but for knowledgeable customers like you, we can reduce the steering play before giving the delivery!!!!!"....I was speechless.

I have invited him to T-BHP.
That's very, very interesting to say the least, especially coming from a decent level guy like the Territory Manager. I can kind of see the sense in their actions too, since a quick reacting steering in such vehicles can be a recipe for disaster in the hands of most drivers in our country.
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MAXIMUM POWER: 103 kW/4000 rpm
Finally a Safari which doesnot redline at 3000RPM
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MAXIMUM POWER: 103 kW/4000 rpm
Finally a Safari which doesnot redline at 3000RPM
Thats 138 bhp, he he he
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That's very, very interesting to say the least, especially coming from a decent level guy like the Territory Manager. I can kind of see the sense in their actions too, since a quick reacting steering in such vehicles can be a recipe for disaster in the hands of most drivers in our country.
NO NO.

There is a difference between "Speed sensitive power steering" and "steering play".

He was trying to tell me that both are the same...Finally, I offered him a TD of my NHC and demonstrated how the light NHC steering puts up weight as speed increases and at 100/120 kmph, it's much heavier than it is at 40 kmph thus providing the safety while still remaining "a direct steering with no play".

In fact, a steering play at 120 kmph WILL get you in trouble if you are passing on undevided roads. I showed him how in his Dicor and he went silent....
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Here is the translated specifications (tried my best, E&OE)


Engine

TYPE: 4 Dicor Cylinders 05 TD Intercooler
INJECTION SYSTEM: direct Injection Common Rail
CYLINDER(cc): 2179 cm3
COMPRESSION RATIO: 17,2:1
BORE PER CYLINDER: 85,0 x 96,0 millimeter
MAXIMUM POWER: 103 kW/4000 rpm
MAXIMUM TORQUE: 320 Nm/1700 - 2700rpm
ALTERNATOR: 12V/135A
MAXIMUM SPEED: 160 km/h


We'll get the same specifications here too.
85 MM Bore and 96 MM stroke.
This looks like an all-new engine from Tata, not a rebored Sumo engine.
An all-new engine was long overdue actually.

For the petrol Safari, they had rebored the Sumo engine and given it a new head with twin cam and 16 valves.

Engine weight is not mentioned so I can't make out whether it is all-aluminium. Sumo engine (with cast iron block) weighs 200 KG dry, IIRC. I think someone on this forum had mentioned earlier that this engine is all-aluminium.

Fuel consumption figures are truly impressive for a two-tonne beast.
Almost 13 KMPL overall!

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1) 2.2 will be launched NOW (not later). Vx will get powerful engine.

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this means only vx gonna get 2.2l and if its true then how come TATA gonna face competition from Scorpio.

it happened to me with INDICA also just six months old and then i am looking at new one.(no regrets though)
i guess now a days in India also, the product life or cycle will be short.

i think fiat management has given some GYAN to tata management.
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Fuel consumption figures are truly impressive for a two-tonne beast.
Almost 13 KMPL overall!
It converts to between 15 Km/ltr to 10 Km/ltr depending on where and how you drive.
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this means only vx gonna get 2.2l and if its true then how come TATA gonna face competition from Scorpio.
No, AFAIK the VX will sport a 160-165 bhp 3L engine. The others will come with the 2.2L engine.
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It converts to between 15 Km/ltr to 10 Km/ltr depending on where and how you drive.
Uh... and how are you so sure of that mate? What you are talking about is the spread, the deviation... The spread can be as wide as you want it to be or as narrow as you wish. Say why not 21 kmpl to 5kmpl? Or just 14 kmpl and 12 kmpl?
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Uh... and how are you so sure of that mate? What you are talking about is the spread, the deviation... The spread can be as wide as you want it to be or as narrow as you wish. Say why not 21 kmpl to 5kmpl? Or just 14 kmpl and 12 kmpl?
Its from the specifications posted by the manufacturer i.e. TATA on their Italian site and the translation/conversion done by me (see the post #590). I couldnt have dreamt of it
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No, AFAIK the VX will sport a 160-165 bhp 3L engine. The others will come with the 2.2L engine.
160-165 bhp 3L ... is it a new engine or revved out 407 engine or is it just a rumour!
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160-165 bhp 3L ... is it a new engine or revved out 407 engine or is it just a rumour!
the same old 3 ltr engine with VGT and some mods(i guess) to churn out 160+bhp
tatas always overengineered their engines (how thoughtfull )
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3) He tried to defend that the steering is indirect "on purpose". When I started laughing, he made a unique offer - "Sir, it's for safety of all general customers, but for knowledgeable customers like you, we can reduce the steering play before giving the delivery!!!!!"....I was speechless.
I have invited him to T-BHP.
I got the steering play reduced to a comfortable level..(was only a measly 5 mins job )

I agree the steering is one of worst thing on dicor..Some day ill get it rectified ..(Psycho are u listening )
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