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Old 25th June 2006, 10:41   #1
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BANGALORE: Prime ministers don't usually talk about traffic. And the normally unflappable Manmohan Singh doesn't usually lose his cool. But Saturday wasn't a usual day.

Irritated by the mayhem on Bangalore roads, Singh launched into a lecture on road rage. He took the city's motorists to task, while asking drivers across the country to behave.

"Mere windswept roads and fancy cars alone do not reflect progress. Good road manners and discipline are equally important," he said at the foundation stone laying function of the multi-corridor 10-lane road project at Electronics City.

"Building good roads and driving modern cars is not the be-all and end-all of progress. Road manners and adherence to traffic discipline are as important," he added.

Expressing his anguish at road rage, the PM said: "We must ask ourselves: Why can't we be more polite to each other, more caring of each other, more respectful of each other?"

For those who might have forgotten, Singh carefully listed road manners. One should give way to pedestrians, observe rules while overtaking, know how to park and when not to blow a horn.

"These are simple rules, but their observance makes a lot of difference to our daily lives," he said. "We Indians behave with great courtesy at home and with family and friends. But when we go out we leave these manners behind. On the road, we lose control of our good senses. Why should this be so?"

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"We Indians behave with great courtesy at home and with family and friends. But when we go out we leave these manners behind. On the road, we lose control of our good senses."
Exactly. How very true... hahahahaha
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Well... looks like everyone is talking about road manners when our PM talks about it. I'm from Bangalore and what I notice is that people (very well educated, foreign return, civilized) behaving like a bunch of idiots while driving.
There needs to be a change in the system and it needs to start with our license issual. Most people start driving without knowing the basic rules.
I think it is time the Govt. asks everyone to revalidate their licenses and take up the test all over again. Only this time make sure that you ask a pvt agency to do it and the test should be rigorous. I know it is a herculean effort, but thats the only way to cleanse this system.
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"Mere windswept roads and fancy cars alone do not reflect progress. Good road manners and discipline are equally important,"
The PM has got this right. people who have driven abroad ,and judging from the posts quite a few BHPians have, know that the cars abroad always arent the best or very well maintained. But they show tons of courtesy while driving. and that really makes a big difference. (everywhere except New York - been there and i swear, every1 there drives like a Delhi DTC bus driver).
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Well... looks like everyone is talking about road manners when our PM talks about it. I'm from Bangalore and what I notice is that people (very well educated, foreign return, civilized) behaving like a bunch of idiots while driving.
There needs to be a change in the system and it needs to start with our license issual. Most people start driving without knowing the basic rules.
I think it is time the Govt. asks everyone to revalidate their licenses and take up the test all over again. Only this time make sure that you ask a pvt agency to do it and the test should be rigorous. I know it is a herculean effort, but thats the only way to cleanse this system.
The penalty system also should be more than just paying fines. We must also have a system of revoking a license. They need to make use of those little dots that they have provisioned in the license cards.

There are times when I find even my colleagues also making indiscriminate use of their horns. (Most of the times I insist on traveling in my car) They think that they will perform the Moses miracle of parting the traffic in front of them by blowing their horns continuously when they drive.

The other thing that bugs me no end on the roads are the high decibel horns that people use instead of the stock horns provided. Personally, I think they should be banned. They only end up irritating people and making them even deafer. Which means that you will need even louder horns.

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The other thing that bugs me no end on the roads are the high decibel horns that people use instead of the stock horns provided. Personally, I think they should be banned. They only end up irritating people and making them even deafer. Which means that you will need even louder horns.
High decibel horns sure they're irritating. Air horns are already banned inside the city, and also on highways (atleast in Kerala) cars are not supposed to use air horns, if the highway patrol catch you they'll break the pipes.

But how many times would anyone have to honk with their nice sweet sounding OE horn before the person or the vehicle in front atleast notice it. In my case not even most two wheeler riders care a damn when i use the OE horn in my 800. And people driving with their side RVMs folded and windows up and enjoying their music wouldn't even know there's a vehicle behind them honking it's tits off lol. And on the highway it's next to impossible to get the bus/lorry/ to give way with the OE horn.

The need of high powered horns was being neccesiated because of our own indifferent behaviour towards each other on the road.
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But how many times would anyone have to honk with their nice sweet sounding OE horn before the person or the vehicle in front atleast notice it. In my case not even most two wheeler riders care a damn when i use the OE horn in my 800. And people driving with their side RVMs folded and windows up and enjoying their music wouldn't even know there's a vehicle behind them honking it's tits off lol. And on the highway it's next to impossible to get the bus/lorry/ to give way with the OE horn.
I primarily use the horn when I encounter Animals (the 4 legged kind ). The other instances when I use my horn is when somebody is not looking at my aproaching car. Even an Air Horn is completely useless if the guy in front has music blasting off his system. So what's the point? I use my headlights more effectively instead.

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Well, somebody needs to start somewhere to set an example. I may not have been successful all the times but atleast I come out feeling that I am acting civilized. Infact, one must try it. When I started to conciously use less of the horn, I began feeling good about it and so I continued.
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The problems is - Indians fail to understand the difference between Right and Privilege. Indians think that everything is their right.

Remember - Driving Licence is a privilege, not a right.

Getting a Visa for a country you dont belong to - is also a privilege , not a right. It is not your country, it is there country - you are an outsider.

Going out and Voting is a right, not a privilege - which most indians dont( vote)

Throwing stones and breaking windows is not the solution - for so called English speaking, highly skilled bla bla people

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Hi, i hope it will not be considered derogatory to say that the Prime Minister should first drive around the city for ONLY 1 day without the entourage/escort car and without having ALL the policemen in the city guarding ALL the junctions so that no other vehicle slips in and without having right of way before he comments on how discourteous drivers are. I can very confidently that 1/2 an hour on Airport road on Monday morning, will make even our PM behave discourteously. It is very easy to sit on a high chair (and that is not only for the PM; it could be any one of the numerous politicians who get escort cars and VIP treatment) and advise people; but when you have to spend 30 minutes every morning and every evening trying to get past KR Puram or Marathahalli bridge on any weekday will make even the most normally courteous drivers resort to swearing (at the government and at each other).
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Hi, i hope it will not be considered derogatory to say that the Prime Minister should first drive around the city for ONLY 1 day without the entourage/escort car and without having ALL the policemen in the city guarding ALL the junctions so that no other vehicle slips in and without having right of way before he comments on how discourteous drivers are. I can very confidently that 1/2 an hour on Airport road on Monday morning, will make even our PM behave discourteously. It is very easy to sit on a high chair (and that is not only for the PM; it could be any one of the numerous politicians who get escort cars and VIP treatment) and advise people; but when you have to spend 30 minutes every morning and every evening trying to get past KR Puram or Marathahalli bridge on any weekday will make even the most normally courteous drivers resort to swearing (at the government and at each other).
well then it all comes down to BREEDING MANNERS of Indians. More people = more traffic.

Stop breeding like xxxxx, and control your population.

Myself is the only child and myself is going to adopt a child in coming years.
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If you bring Tarzan to the city, you can't expect him to know how to wear a 3 piece suit, eat with fork and knife etc can you? As long as Indian's get licences without even knowing which pedal is the brake and which is the accelartor the situation will not improve. The mayhem on our roads is more out of ignorance and ego then out of lack of courtsey. The best example of this is whenever there is an accident, each driver blames the other for the accident and there is a big fight and a huge traffic jam is created! Reason is that none of the drivers know whose fault it was! It's ignorance. Why drivers, even traffic cops have no idea whose fault it was. How many of our driving school instructors know about driving and rules? Most countries have a graduated licensing system and we need to adopt that.

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I am all for that but how about giving a speech to pedestrains on showing courtsey on the roads to fellow road users. Don't cross the road when pedestrian signal is red and absolutely no jaywalking. And why leave out the cyclists, two wheeler, taxi, auto, bus and truck drivers? Is showing courtsey on the roads the sole responsiblity of the private car buyer? When will India realise that you can't do what you want if you are poor or percieved to be poor.

Everyone invovled has to make an effort to improve. No use asking the RTO and government to eliminate corruption and make good roads if Indians don't want to improve themselves. Currently every citizen thinks he is God's gift to India just as every driver thinks he is God's gift to Indian roads. If Tarzan doesn't want to learn to be civilized then.....................

As for Mr. Singh, well Mr. PM, speech done, applause recieved, now what? Like everyone, the PM is going to forget all about this. Why doesn't he go to his PMO and call a urgent meeting of the transport minister, traffic commissioners and all road officials and take personal interest in cleaning the system. Get licensing inspectors from Germany or some European country to totally redesign our testing and licensing procedures. I will be the first in line to give my license re-test.

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Why doesn't he go to his PMO and call a urgent meeting of the transport minister, traffic commissioners and all road officials and take personal interest in cleaning the system.
Amit, problem is some where else.
Even today, and with rising number of cars and bikes and what we have, needs a serious looking back.

I believe, even today, if all of us are organised...travel time will come down significantly..and so is the road rage.

We need to know first how to drive on a so called loaded road.

We need to know how to cool down.

We need to know that that cities are growing in volume and not by individual's understanding about the city.
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Sorry, But the PM himself causes inconvience to traffic when he moves around, Never follow traffic rules/Always Break Red Lights/Always Cut across in any direction without indicators....Infact at times when the PM or any VIP movement happens the Sirens blaze even when passing hospital zones..! Shiela Diksheet's ( Delhi CM) daughter rammed a lawyer's Car in delhi and used her influence to threaten him....Do you think we should listen to Rule Breaking Congress Leaders....! Mr.Singh is one of the most dignified leaders agreed..But when he himself cannot honour rules..I don't think he has the right to lecture any public..!..I would'nt agree less on BJP leaders also...!

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Hi, i hope it will not be considered derogatory to say that the Prime Minister should first drive around the city for ONLY 1 day without the entourage/escort car and without having ALL the policemen in the city guarding ALL the junctions so that no other vehicle slips in and without having right of way before he comments on how discourteous drivers are. I can very confidently that 1/2 an hour on Airport road on Monday morning, will make even our PM behave discourteously. It is very easy to sit on a high chair (and that is not only for the PM; it could be any one of the numerous politicians who get escort cars and VIP treatment) and advise people; but when you have to spend 30 minutes every morning and every evening trying to get past KR Puram or Marathahalli bridge on any weekday will make even the most normally courteous drivers resort to swearing (at the government and at each other).
. What's more, instead of giving armchair advice, the PM should initiate measures to make life better for motorists, like expediting the construction of roads and cracking the whip on corrupt contractors and government agencies who do a substandard job, miss the deadlines and make life hell for us. While he's at it, he can also do something about the RTO giving licences to anyone with 500 bucks in their pocket. He can also address the issue of corrupt traffic policemen who make it easy for anyone to get off easy with breaking the rules as long as they pay 50-100 bucks.

Then he can talk to us about manners.

I have the greatest regard for out PM, but in this case I believe he's behaving like a typical politician and giving gyaan instead of actually doing something constructive.
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