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Old 26th June 2006, 16:55   #16
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Finally, a topic that needs to be seriously discussed.

Apart from all the facts mentioned, Import duties on parts and skilled labour is what restricts most buffs..

effectively, the cost of a simple Garrett T25 suitable for many indian cars should cost about 1000 buck here (Rs35000) by the time it gets into one our cars in India..its gone up more than thrice..

and because the demand is rising slowly, people who do these set ups skim the market to the max..

plan to open up a garage in a few years...with an old mate...look me then!!

can't wait to bring my GTR up with me!! good promotion eh???

THINK YOU WAIT THAT LONG BOOM SHIVA?????

i'd say 5 years time, the number of TC'd cars would sky rocket...

but by then, most indian car makers would have launched TC'd cars for the general public...thus giving rise to bigger blowers.....

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Old 26th June 2006, 18:20   #17
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plan to open up a garage in a few years...with an old mate...look me then!!
can't wait to bring my GTR up with me!! good promotion eh???
Would that mate's name be Amit by any chance

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I don't want to blow up 1.5 lakhs on a turbo setup and then have the engine blow up on me, and then have the mechanic just shrug his shoulders. So unless you have lots of time on your hands, good knowledge of cars and a really trustworthy tuner (and the money of course), it becomes impractical to turbo the car.
Well so well said but to take a car up to 6 PSI is a piece of cake beyond that is wher one needs to have the expertise.


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Also, lack of equipment like a dyno makes me apprehensive. Lots of tuners will throw all kinds of performance numbers at you, but without a dyno to prove it, it's all just speculation and guesswork. Also makes the process of fine tuning much more dodgy. No offense to the genuine tuners here, but I've heard a whole lotta crap from a whole lotta wannabe tuners who are just out to scam rich brats.
You could get you performance figures as simply as timing your 0 - 100 times or a quarter mile time one doesnt need a tuner to do the rough math there are enough online freebie calcs to help you with that.

Yes for fine tuning you do need specialised tools but not necessarily a dyno, a good wideband lambda sensor will do with a laptop for the ecu.

Yes there is a great market for one to scam ( Interesting thought that I always wish to avoid )


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Thirdly, any kind of performance mod is technically illegal, hence by TCing or NOSing your car, you are breaking the law. I don't think visual mods are law breakers except for a few like strobes and neons.
TC'ing a car / NOSing is not illegal as you do not change the engine, key rules are that you have to have the same engine, chassis and wheelbase.

However NOS is illegal on the street, be prepared to have your car impounded if you drive it around town with NOS installed.

Strobes are illegal not neons, and you cannot have any part of your car projecting out of your body, hence spoilers larger than the car are actually illegal.

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Having said that, I look forward to the day I can confidently take my car to a shop and get it turbocharged.
Well you can do so today, but remember there are only a few that do it well and it costs a bomb.

As for Visual vs. Performance
80% wouldnt care
19% would prefer their rides to look / sound good
1% would prefer their rides to move
(those stats are just random figures but looks like quite close to real life)

Only way one can really appreciate performance is when one has a place to max it out, be it a drag strip or a track, till we have them sprouting all over we will continue to speculate.

now back to sleep dreaming of my builds
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Old 26th June 2006, 18:42   #18
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Psycho, thanks that was very informative. Guess I've just come across some really dodgy tuners out here who have made me a bit paranoid.

R32, don't worry, I'll be there! Get the GTR down for sure. Been a while since I've seen one of those beauties.
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I disagree with most people here. The question is not that we Indians are not modifying cars the question is that why are we going the wrong way while modifying cars? Out here the people who consider Performance to be the holy grail are out numbered by people who consider Visual modifications to be the most important part by about 100 to 1
Why single out Indians?........this is true pretty much all over the world. Even the big wheels and low profile tires that all the rage in the US is all for looks and bling.
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You got the facts right BOOMSHIVA.. Most tuners at present are at an experimenting stage and even if i have the cash and urge to pull some performance out of a car i am hesitant cos the tuners dont know the complete stuff..like why,how etc...More over the performance mod industry in India is mostly a wild guess rather than maths and physics..as it is supposed to be... Moreover lack of access to quality after market parts ...and ofcourse DYNOs..Most after market parts we get here are more like " one size suits all" or universal types
I dont believe 0-100 times or quarter mile times would convert to so much BHP etc... thats not the right way to qualify a car...
I feel the after market and the tuning business needs to mature a lot more than it is now when i can completely trust a tuner and believe what he says is true..
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well,my turbos on the way so yeah have taken on that already....as far as performance is concerned carbon fiber is where im at...oh and dont forget once im done you can try my ride.
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From a simple turbo charger
from the little amount of technical knowledge i possess, nothing related to turboing can be even close to simple. just google the same and you'll know the reasons.

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from the little amount of technical knowledge i possess, nothing related to turboing can be even close to simple. just google the same and you'll know the reasons.

manson.
I understand what you are saying. Most of the stuff I know too is all about Bikes. but, I was looking up online stores (hope to get a BMW soon -could be any of he M) and there are some really simple turbochargers available in the market, which you can install yourself. Like I wrote before, my couzin called up one of these wbsites and they had a smaller turbocharger ready for his Maruti 800. I dont mean they are snap-on, but just simpler versions of the regular turbo. You wont get the same performance as a regular turbo, but enough to give you thrills on Indian roads.

http://www.ppsonline.net This is a pretty good site to check whats the latest in the market.
Also http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com
Oh, and just as a passing thought: What if like Tokyo Drift, we can shove in a Nissan RB26 engine in a Contessa ??? :-) (I know its illegal and all tht, but just a passing thought)

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