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Old 19th December 2013, 10:48   #1
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Suzuki developing turbo supercharge petrol engine that should arrive in 2016 to power the new range of B-segment and C-segment cars.
This engine will be a modified K12B 1.2 “Dual Jet” engine which was launched in July 13.


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They are working on 1.0 liter supercharge petrol engine for next generation B-segment car (New Swift and new premium hatchback).The engine will produce in Japan and export to production base in Hungary for EU spec cars.and this engine also produce in Changan Suzuki China
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The other two engines that are in the pipeline is 1.2 liter turbo supercharge petrol for C-segment car (S-cross) that should generate around 120 PS and 1.6 liter turbo supercharge petrol that expect to generate around 150 PS
http://suzukifan.com/2013/12/19/suzu...rrive-in-2016/

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sounds good !
The K-series engines are inherently refined and rev happy. What pulls it down is that they are a bit weak on the torque front. Adding a turbo should give that much needed mid range wallop.
Seems like petrolheads in our country are slowly getting their due in the performance starved mass market model landscape
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Is it super charged or turbo charged, little confusing to me. With FE and engine weight becoming a issue, I think in some time most engines would use some kind of forced induction. It will be great for smaller cars which are majority in India.
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Is it super charged or turbo charged, little confusing to me.
Should be turbo-charged as they give better FE. Supercharged engines are generally used for racing.
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Suzuki seems to be envisaging an enthusiast's market where FE has no role compared for the need to be in the power band all the time(Compared to a turbo charger).
Does Suzuki have any plans for this engine to be brought into India in the first place?
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Suzuki seems to be envisaging an enthusiast's market where FE has no role compared for the need to be in the power band all the time(Compared to a turbo charger).
Does Suzuki have any plans for this engine to be brought into India in the first place?
Yes, Suzuki has plans to downsize the engine to 1.5L to meet excise norms in India & bring it on on vehicles in India, starting with their compact SUV.

For more details refer the thread:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...mpact-suv.html (All-new Suzuki 1.5L diesel. For compact SUV)

&, ACI report (which is the basis of above thread)

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...uv-367341.aspx
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Yes, Suzuki has plans to downsize the engine to 1.5L to meet excise norms in India & bring it on on vehicles in India, starting with their compact SUV.
The news is about Petrol engine turbo charging, and for Petrol engines, the excise benefit is only upto 1200CC. The one Suzuki downsizing is their Diesel engine which is supposed to be built from adding 2 more cylinders to their 800CC 2-cyl Diesel engine.
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Yes, Suzuki has plans to downsize the engine to 1.5L to meet excise norms in India & bring it on on vehicles in India, starting with their compact SUV.

For more details refer the thread:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...mpact-suv.html (All-new Suzuki 1.5L diesel. For compact SUV)

&, ACI report (which is the basis of above thread)

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...uv-367341.aspx
Are we not talking about a petrol engine in this thread?
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Finally, the K-series engines are also going the turbo charged route. Must be a stonker of an engine considering the presently available K10B and the K12M. Although weak on the low end torque front its an absolute pleasure revving these silky smooth motors to their 6500 rpm redlines, especially the K12M. So its safe to assume that the K12B apart from improving on the low end torque, will be even more fun when it comes to frequent visits to the redline , which is what a petrolhead wants.
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Its unlikely that K12B would come to India in its original avatar since it is marginally higher than 1200cc. That's why K12M was introduced by reducing the bore/stroke to get it under 1200cc mark.

Same process has to happen even in this case, which means we might well be looking at another year after the K12B turbo is launched for K12M turbo. By that time, its already a technology that's 10 years old and we'll have to see where the competition would evolve to.
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Its unlikely that K12B would come to India in its original avatar since it is marginally higher than 1200cc. That's why K12M was introduced by reducing the bore/stroke to get it under 1200cc mark.
Going by the article, the K12B would be used in C-segment cars whereas K10 will be used in B-segment cars like the Swift etc.
So there is no benefit in excise even if they reduce the capacity to under 1200cc as the cars that would be fitted with the engine won't be under 4m (cars like the upcoming YL1)
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The news is about Petrol engine turbo charging, and for Petrol engines, the excise benefit is only upto 1200CC. The one Suzuki downsizing is their Diesel engine which is supposed to be built from adding 2 more cylinders to their 800CC 2-cyl Diesel engine.
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Are we not talking about a petrol engine in this thread?
Sorry guys... wasn't attentive.

Anyway a new petrol engine from Suzuki is welcome as it was overdue, & good that they too have taken the turbocharging route. More power & economy can go hand in hand for a big Suzuki car as well.
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Is it super charged or turbo charged, little confusing to me. With FE and engine weight becoming a issue, I think in some time most engines would use some kind of forced induction. It will be great for smaller cars which are majority in India.
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Should be turbo-charged as they give better FE. Supercharged engines are generally used for racing.
This engine has a turbo charger and a supercharger. The supercharger will work at lower rpm and the turbo at higher rpm's. This is the best of both worlds with torque spread across the range. The VW 1.4 TFSI has a similar construction

Superchargers are no more used only for racing. Nissan has 1.2L 3 cyl. Supercharged engine in Europe. Superchargers are gaining ground and are we are beginning to see applications in more mainstream engines.

If you look at the driving cycle in our cities, where we spend most of our time under 2K rpm, a supercharger makes so much more sense compared to Turbo's.

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This engine has a turbo charger and a supercharger. The supercharger will work at lower rpm and the turbo at higher rpm's. This is the best of both worlds with torque spread across the range. The VW 1.4 TFSI has a similar construction

Superchargers are no more used only for racing. Nissan has 1.2L 3 cyl. Supercharged engine in Europe. Superchargers are gaining ground and are we are beginning to see applications in more mainstream engines.

If you look at the driving cycle in our cities, where we spend most of our time under 2K rpm, a supercharger makes so much more sense compared to Turbo's.
Thanks for the info. Did not know they use a mechanical supercharger for the TSI. Although I am not sure if Suzuki engine uses a similar twin charger.
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The 1 liter K-Series turbo petrol engine is likely to power the next-generation version of the Swift and the new premium B+ hatchback that Suzuki is planning to introduce in 2016. The 1.2 liter K-Series engine with a turbocharger will output more power and torque, and is likely to be used on Maruti Suzuki’s range of C-Segment cars such as the YL1 and the SX4 crossover.

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