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Old 21st March 2014, 10:54   #181
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Thank you all for the support once again.

I forgot to mention one freak incident that happened last week. The car was driven for a few kms in the morning and then parked. Later that very afternoon it was started again and when slotted in D to move forward the brakes had jammed to the discs and the car refused to move when revved in gear.
I did call up the service center and they were prompt enough to send someone within 3 hours. However by the time the man got there the car seemed to have gone back to normal after switching it off for a few hours. Quite odd, the problem could not be traced by the technician either and I'm hoping it was a freak one-off situation.


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Is Skoda worth perhaps a fighting chance in the wake of their new brilliant product offering and existing customers who are happy or this too could be absolutely let down by their shoddy A.S.S and perhaps down to my luck if i land up with a lemon or no?
I had mentioned this earlier too that I had a similar thought process that made me take the plunge and buy the Skoda not once but twice! There were threads like this on the forum but I fell in love with the product and took the leap of faith as I kept hearing that Skoda has pulled up it's socks. However there were no real reports of them having made an significant change.
Hence, my advice would be not to be foolish like I have been. If I were looking to buy a Superb today I would stretch my budget a bit and get a Camry instead. At the end of the day the economics would work out the same after the series of defected parts you would change in your Skoda. Every Skoda is a lemon, that is the reality !

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I forgot to mention one freak incident that happened last week. The car was driven for a few kms in the morning and then parked. Later that very afternoon it was started again and when slotted in D to move forward the brakes had jammed to the discs and the car refused to move when revved in gear.
I did call up the service center and they were prompt enough to send someone within 3 hours. However by the time the man got there the car seemed to have gone back to normal after switching it off for a few hours. Quite odd, the problem could not be traced by the technician either and I'm hoping it was a freak one-off situation.
In our Laura DSG I noticed clunk-clunk kind of noise couple of times, after long drive (during return journey from Mumbai). It vanished after restarting car but technician could not trace it. His conclusion, mechatronic malfunction due to dust or something. But after this, I never used Laura for long drives with family.
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I had refrained from posting about the car till now but have had quite a few problems that I have patiently lived through.

I have a Superb 1.8 Tsi Elegance AT 2010 model that has done ~72k kms till now. For the first few years the car functioned without any issues and the only part that was replaced was the DSG box with the usual mechatronic failure. I have tried to put down the problems I have had in the past 1 year or so in the post below (please spare me for the long post) -


Water flooding

This year in May-June (before the monsoons), water flooded the left rear footwell. I tried to triangulate the problem and tried to figure out the reason for it. Tried throwing water over all the windows, glasses, sunroof etc to see if there is any leakage but couldn't find any. Thought that maybe the car is flooding while operating and so decided to drive around with the wife sitting in the rear seat. She noticed that water comes out from the foot AC vents when the AC is switched on. I thought that its maybe the AC water drain that is flooding the interiors of the car rather than emptying outside but had my reservations since the quantum of water was even higher than a room air conditioner. The car went to Autobahn Kurla 4 times for the same problem and stayed over 2 days every time. For the first three times the workshop returned the car saying the problem has been rectified but it reappeared every time. I lost my cool when the same problem reappeared after the third time as well and gave a piece of my mind to Autobahn workshop in-charge and other higher ups. Finally when the car went for the fourth time they figured out that the problem was caused due to blocked sun roof drains. They had to remove the whole carpet (over 1 inch thick) and let it dry. They also warned that there are ABS and air-bag related sensors that might start malfunctioning in case they remain submerged. I fail to understand how the sun roof drain blockage was causing the water to come from the left rear foot AC vents (and that too only when the AC is operating). Still since the problem has been solved, I keep my fingers crossed that it doesn't resurface. Total repair bills of >INR 50k.


Car shuddering at low RPMs

There was another freak incident which happened on the Mumbai-Pune Expressway this September. I had stopped the car for a break at the usual highway joint. The car didn't start afterwards. I kept on trying for 4-5 minutes when finally it started but was shaking up a lot while stationary and while at low RPMs (<1,200 rpm) in 1st and 2nd gears (D1 and D2). Also the EPC warning light was on. I thought that maybe the cylinders are misfiring and hence the car is shuddering at lower RPMs and I am unable to feel the vibrations at higher RPMs. I called up my service advisor and explained the situation to him and he gave their standard response to drive back and that they need to put the car on the scanner to check. This is another thing that irritates me to no end - being service advisors and checking atleast 10+ cars everyday how can one have no clues about what could be the potential sources of problems. Any ways I returned and went home as the workshop had closed by then and parked the car thinking that I would need to call a flat bed next day. Surprisingly, next morning the car started without any fuss and without any of the problems that I just mentioned. I still decided to take it to the service station and get it checked. To my surprise, their scanners also couldn't find any errors!


Noise from the suspension

For the last 5-6 months the car was making some metallic sounds from the front right (driver side) suspension while going over small bumps at somewhat normal to higher speed. Also some small similar noises while braking. I was thinking that maybe some rubber bushes/ components that go between the various suspension parts have given way and hence metal parts touch, making the noise. Another problem with the same suspension was while going over big speed breakers that involve a lot of suspension travel at slow speeds. The shocker would make a rusty kind of noise as if its not properly oiled. I took it to the workshop and the service advisers (3 of them) checked the suspension by pressing the car and said the suspension is working fine. I coupled this problem also along side when I left the car at the workshop for the car shaking up. They returned the car saying that its some hard mud stuck in the suspension and if I will take it for a pressure wash, it will go away! Not believing the solution, I asked them why they didn't do it themselves, to which they replied that their water pump at the washing bay is not working. I have by now lost all trust on these guys and actually went to the washing bay to check. To their credit, their water pump was actually broke and they were not bluffing.


Engine oil and cooland leakage/ excessive consumption

I had known that this engine consumes quite a bit of engine oil but around the same time (September-October) the car started consuming a fair bit of oil. To quantify, it would consume around a litre of engine oil for every 300-400 kms (before the warning would come on the MFD). I did start keeping extra engine oil with me in the car all the time to hedge myself against this. Also the car's would empty the coolant and would require topping up by 1-1.5 lts every 4-5 days. This was also taken up during the last visit when I had left the car for shuddering + suspension work. They just topped off the coolant and engine oil and returned the car and said that they have taken care of the leakage!


Other smaller problems

Also during the usual service, the AC coil (which failed), charcoal canister, wheel hubs, fuel cap lock (which also failed) etc have been replaced around the 65k kms mark.

I had lost it and decided I would not take it again to Skoda's workshops and would be better off at a specialist independent. I was away from Mumbai and partly very busy with work for the whole of October and November and couldn't take care of the suspension & coolant and engine oil leakage problem.

Finally, I decided to take the car and show it to Mr. Sunil Shanbaug. He took a longish test drive and came to the conclusion that there is indeed some noise that comes from the suspension and he also suspected that its some bushes that have given way. For further details, he said that he will have to open up and check. Also on the coolant leakage, even his assistant told me upfront that it would be the water pump leakage which was later confirmed by Mr Shanbaug himself. He couldn't find any engine oil leakage and said probably there is some internal leakage and wouldn't want to check it as of now. I gave the car to him for repairs on Dec 9th. He said that it would take around 8-9 days for the repairs but it has been delayed due the unavailability of the water pump assembly. He replied today that he has got the water pump now and would probably deliver the car tomorrow.

The suspension requires some bushes/ small components and would require some machining on some arms and would cost around ~15-16k. Also the water pump repair would be another 15k approx. These were the costs quoted by him - they might be on the higher side but I don't mind if he solves the problems.

I am keeping my fingers crossed this time, but going by the discussions had with him during the test drive and while at his workshop and even with his mechanics, think that he will not disappoint me. I absolutely loved his honest and upfront nature which was such a welcome after the harrowing experiences at Autobahn. I asked him about a friend's 750i which gives some turbo related problems. He said that its a bi-turbo and incredibly complex and he would see the car though can't guarantee if he can take care of the problem or no. Such upfront reply - I have never seen a mechanic who would not accept a car citing the same reason.

Also while I was searching for the water pump assembly myself, I came across this site and wanted to check if someone has ordered parts from here -

http://www.motrpart.in/submodel/216/...superb/1-8-tsi

This seems to be like 99rpm which I use for Palio's spare parts. If the above mentioned site is also good then probably some of my problems related to spare part unavailability would be solved.
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Old 21st December 2015, 14:46   #184
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Finally, I decided to take the car and show it to Mr. Sunil Shanbaug. \
Do update on the relevant thread on how your experience was with Mr. Sunil.
I am sure it would be handy to a lot of us owners from Mumbai who have to deal with Skoda.
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Also while I was searching for the water pump assembly myself, I came across this site and wanted to check if someone has ordered parts from here -

http://www.motrpart.in/submodel/216/...superb/1-8-tsi

This seems to be like 99rpm which I use for Palio's spare parts. If the above mentioned site is also good then probably some of my problems related to spare part unavailability would be solved.
I have ordered stuff like brake pads, oil filters etc for a Honda from MotrPart. I had a pleasant experience with them.
They gave a call to confirm the part as well as the make of the car in my case.
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Water flooding


Check suroof draining by opening the roof and pouring water in the channel. It should come out through the wheel wells

Check your door seals for tears


Car shuddering at low RPMs


This happened frequently on my vRS. It could be one or more of the following

1: Dirty throttle body
2: Faulty MAF sensor
3: Faulty temperature sensor causing petrol to suddenly become eich causing the EPC (happened in my case but took a long time to find). Part is Rs 1500 from aborad and take 10 min to replace


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FOr that mileage, it is reasonalbe wear and tear. The front control arms might also be shot


Engine oil and cooland leakage/ excessive consumption


The engine is known for its oil consumption but that rate looks excessive.

Coolant - as you said the water pump is theculprit. Happened to me also
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Skoda gremlins hit again on a friend's Rapid - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offici...ml#post3875894 (Skoda Rapid : Test Drive & Review).

The scan is showing ABS module failure but the steering assist has gone haywire (extremely light at all speeds), car is hesitating to revv above 2000 rpm, abs is not functioning (checked on a deserted road at 30 km/h).

Agree that the service is shot over by a 1000 kms and this is because the authorised workshop in Jammu shut shop, the car has to travel 500-600 kms to get the service done and this is no Mercedes but knowing Skoda, they can very well say that since the oil was not changed on time, the abs module has gone bad. Do not know how to go about this, visiting the workshop tomorrow with him. First major issue in the car which has left the car undriveable.

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Water flooding


Check suroof draining by opening the roof and pouring water in the channel. It should come out through the wheel wells

Check your door seals for tears


Car shuddering at low RPMs


This happened frequently on my vRS. It could be one or more of the following

1: Dirty throttle body
2: Faulty MAF sensor
3: Faulty temperature sensor causing petrol to suddenly become eich causing the EPC (happened in my case but took a long time to find). Part is Rs 1500 from aborad and take 10 min to replace


[b]

FOr that mileage, it is reasonalbe wear and tear. The front control arms might also be shot


Engine oil and cooland leakage/ excessive consumption


The engine is known for its oil consumption but that rate looks excessive.

Coolant - as you said the water pump is theculprit. Happened to me also
Thanks Ajmat for the info - really useful.

My work has kept me busy and pardon me for not taking the time out earlier to post this before. The list of things to write about has continued to get bigger over the past year.

Mr Shanbaug did a wonderful job with the car – the water pump was replaced and the suspension problems were sorted. As I had mentioned earlier, Mr Shanbaug had told me that the suspension required some bushes/ small components and would require some machining on some arms and would cost around ~15-16k. I agreed and got it done. This involved some amount of welding for the suspension bits. He also did some bit of headlight adjustments and I also got the high beam bulbs changed to 4300 K Crystal Vision bulbs from Philips to match with the colour of the bi-xenons. This was in December 2015. Mr. Shanbaug also commented that the car is in very good condition given the overall mileage of around ~72k.

In February 2016, in another of incidents, the front windscreen got smashed while parked. This was due to a freak coconut falling on the car because of a truck hitting the coconut tree. The car wasn’t even parked under the coconut tree. Speak of bad luck! I got in touch with Mr Shanbaug who would take some time to procure the windscreen and also simultaneously checked with Autobahn. Autobahn Jogeshwari confirmed that they have a windscreen in stock and would do the replacement. I dropped the car next day to them and they did a fine job and delivered the car the day after. One thing I fail to understand is the pricing of labor for pretty similar jobs for different cars. The windscreen replacement labour costs ~INR 1500 for Fabia, somewhat higher for Rapid, ~INR 2700-3000 for Laura and ~INR 3500 for Superb. Don’t think the work in a Superb will entail more than twice the labour compared to a Fabia. Both windscreens have to be stuck in a similar fashion, as far as I know.

The car continued to run fine till March, when another of the problems surfaced. The car was parked in Central near Haji Ali while I tended to some work. When I returned, to my horror, the car was in a puddle of coolant. The parking attendant told me that soon after I had left, the car was making hissing noises and leaked coolant almost instantly. This was already late evening and I couldn’t get the car to Mr Shanbaug. I decided to put some water in the car in place of coolant and drive off to home. The rate of leak was indeed quite fast and I could barely drive for 15 minutes when the car would leak all. I had to take another stop at a fuel station for refill of water. I managed to reach home after making 3 such stops.

Decided to try Autobahn Jogeshwari again given the better experience last time. Drove the car to them while keeping a 20 litre Bisleri bottle with me to take care of any emergency fills. The problem was attributed to multiple hoses leaking simultaneously and these were replaced. The SA there could also locate the engine oil leakage. This was due to a seal underneath the engine which is used to drain engine oil. This was also replaced. The noise of the suspension from the front had also resurfaced albeit in a much more muted fashion now. They solved this by cutting the earlier weld made at Mr Shanbaug and then getting it machined at a lathe machine and fitting it back. This solved the problem once and for all. There was a new noise coming from the engine bay which sounded like some metal components have got loose. A loose engine bottom cover was found to be the culprit for this and this was fixed as well. Overall had a good experience this time with Autobahn Jogeshwari.

In June, some problems surfaced again. The car was shuddering at low speeds and was losing power – felt like running on fewer cylinders. Again sent the car to Autobahn Jogeshwari and the problem was found to be with a faulty induction coil. The induction coil was changed and so were all the 4 spark plugs. The car stayed with them for some time.

In June because of these problems, both my wife and I felt that probably we should replace the car with something newer. Went to check Mercedes E250 CDI, BMW 520d, JLR XF and Discovery sport and Audi A6 matrix. All the cars and especially the XF had mouth-watering discounts going on but somehow none of these seemed to be a proper upgrade. Wife loves the look of the XF, a car which I also admire for its sporty dynamics. While the XF was available at a huge discount (in my first meeting the sales person offered 12 lakhs off!), my eyes were set on a BMW 530d after having driven the straight six. Jaguar didn’t have any 3 litres to offer. Both wife and I, felt that none of the back seats can match the Superb's back seat, though the BMW’s back seat is very nicely sculpted. We also thought of other options – like replacing the Superb with a cheaper car like a Jetta or even a Ciaz (amazing rear legroom) for the time being and wait for some proper upgrade later. The Mercedes Benz E Class LWB would probably make a proper upgrade over the Superb and I have also taken a liking for the Volvo S90 (what a music system! Beats the hell out of S Class’s Burmester, Autobiography’s Meridian and any other system this side of a Rolls Royce Phantom/ Bentley Mulsanne probably). This made me marvel at the product that Skoda got out in Superb – a really superb value proposition! I was reluctant to buy cars from lower segments and we decided to keep the car with a warning from the wife that if something happens again, the car has to go.

The problems kept on surfacing and in August, the alternator belt gave way and I could figure it out from the typical noise associated with it. This was replaced. Sometime around August-September the car would lose power in lower gears and felt as if it is towing a heavy load. Also an error message would come on the MID saying – “EPC - Check engine: Service Now” and EPC light would flash. This would be accompanied with a chime and this would happen for a second and then the warning would be gone. This time I took it to a local mechanic near my home in Powai – Vijesh Vasu (Nityanand Auto Works). His workshop is located at the Chandivali signal opposite the Ford showroom. Seemed to be a knowledgeable person and his garage always had some Range Rovers, Porsches, Mercs etc for repair. On a scan of the car the error code was “CAMSHAFT sensor – Implausible signal”. He changed the CAMSHAFT sensor and the problem of the car losing power was gone.
The car now whenever being driven for long times would still display the same error as above (“EPC – Check engine: Service Now”), although with no associated symptoms. Took it again to him and he told that this could be due to some faulty wiring/ timing problem or CAM sensor. Since we had already changed the CAM sensor, he checked the wiring and checked the timing of the car and found no problems with either.

In between the DSG of the car failed again and the car had to be taken to Autobahn. The unit was replaced free of cost under Skoda’s good will warranty.

The car in December 2016, while continuing to show the above error sometimes also showed another error – this time the emissions control warning light had come on. Took it to Vijesh Vasu again who scanned to figure out a P2279 error code – “intake air system leak”. Told me that this would be due to some air system leaks and he repaired some of the faulty pipes.

The now has continued to run with the same “EPC – Check engine: Service now” error flashing periodically. With extended use have figured out that this happens over longer distances more and when the car is in stop go traffic and usually when shifting between D1 and D2. For example if I will drive from Mumbai to Pune, the error will come probably once or twice. But if I am stuck on Western Express Highway for similar time (~3 hours) then this will come every 5 minutes. The car has run ~81k kms now.

I want to keep the car now, given the approval from Mr Shanbaug and also given the car's interiors are as good as brand new. Also selling it won't get me anything. If this is a small problem which can be solved then probably makes sense to keep it and then sometime later on consider a new car.

Can someone throw some light on, if they have had this issue or have heard of it?
I have also shifted from Mumbai to NCR recently and would also want to know some good mechanics in NCR. Or otherwise do people think highly of Skoda A.S.S. here?
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