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Old 12th June 2014, 20:29   #211
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Would it be possible to retrofit AMT into the existing cars? Anyone tried that already or in the processing of trying? I mean, is this even possible to start with?
Guess converting is possible if the car is designed to support AMT since they share the gearbox and the only addition is the AMT unit. Retrofitting may be possible but definitely not a simple thing as the AMT module must be able to replicate the same movements of the gear selector forks which can vary from car to car. If that is easy, then one can convert from manual to AMT
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Would it be possible to retrofit AMT into the existing cars? Anyone tried that already or in the processing of trying? I mean, is this even possible to start with?
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Guess converting is possible if the car is designed to support AMT since they share the gearbox and the only addition is the AMT unit. Retrofitting may be possible but definitely not a simple thing as the AMT module must be able to replicate the same movements of the gear selector forks which can vary from car to car. If that is easy, then one can convert from manual to AMT
Guys, check this out

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...h-my-alto.html (Fitted an Auto-Clutch in my Alto)

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Ha, so this is how an AMT gearbox feels like!!

BEAU-TI-FUL ! (Just like Jim Carrey said in some movie)

I went to the mechanic shed without any expectation on how the new system would feel like.
At around 7 pm, I slipped behind the wheels of my "mutated" alto.
The mechanic gave some detailing on the DOs and DON'Ts of the system and then off we went for our maiden spin.
Boy oh boy, this is the first time I'm driving an AMT car and I landed up pressing the brake every time while changing gears, mistaking it for the clutch pedal ! I am sure that the mechanic would have thought whether I ever knew the basic ABC pedals itself or not !
But I gained control of the alto pretty soon and was able to harness it as I used to earlier, without any issue.
I drove for 50 kms this evening in vehicles infested areas and I'm learning the party trick as and when to change gears!
If magneti marelli's offering for the Celerio is somewhere close to my home made AMT, I am sure MSIL has a winner in its hand!
However, coming to my new found technology, I am compiling a full scale report with photos and videos which would be a feast for our ever hungry "automobilo-vores".
Kindly bear with me for a couple of days.
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What a change?!! From a Automatic hated market, in a span of 1-2 years, we are moving to the Automatic loved market. I would NOT have dreamt of this 6 months back!
While this movement is certainly welcome, I still believe (after driving auto cars in the US for quite some time) that pure auto gear techonology is the way to go. Very often we are given the reason of higher costs, but through localisation and volumes the costs can be negated.
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After creating the awareness of Automatics in India, with Celerio, Maruti is set to realese the most affordable Automatic in India - The Alto K10, when it gets relesased on Oct. 21st.
AMT is no longer a buzz work, and has become 'The Way of Life'!
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AMT geras up again . Maruti Suzuki Alto K10 AMT Facelift to deliver a 24.07 Kmpl Mileage - takes the tag of being India's most efficient 'Automatic' car.

http://www.cartoq.com/maruti-suzuki-...k-car-mileage/

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AMT geras up again . Maruti Suzuki Alto K10 AMT Facelift to deliver a 24.07 Kmpl Mileage - takes the tag of being India's most efficient 'Automatic' car.

http://www.cartoq.com/maruti-suzuki-...k-car-mileage/
Alto can hold this title until Nano AMT become available. What happens if Nano AMT comes before Alto K10 AMT
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What happens if Nano AMT comes before Alto K10 AMT
Nope it is not possible. Alto K10 is a few days away from launch, cars in transit to dealers
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Maruti is is working with Magneti Marelli to increase monthly AMT production from 3,500 to 5,000 units over the next two months. The company expects Magneti Marelli to further increase production once it sets up a manufacturing facility at Manesar, Hayrana. This will be a crucial step since Maruti is planning to equip many more of its models with the technology.

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Maruti is is working with Magneti Marelli to increase monthly AMT production from 3,500 to 5,000 units...
3.5K-5K monthly?!
And that to be divided between Celerio and upcoming Alto K10!
Given Alto's high volumes and Celerio's AMT demand this seems kind-of less.
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While this movement is certainly welcome, I still believe (after driving auto cars in the US for quite some time) that pure auto gear techonology is the way to go. Very often we are given the reason of higher costs, but through localisation and volumes the costs can be negated.
From a user's perspective, an AMT functions just like an regular automatic. All you have to do is accelerate and brake as required, just like you would in an automatic. Unless someone is a rough driver, he/ she won't notice much difference between an automatic or an AMT. One has to keep in mind that this option is currently being offered on lower end cars and one shouldn't compare its performance with higher end automatics. For people buying sub 10 lakh cars, AMT is a great option. If it is reliable over the long term is another story but I would be happy to take that risk if I were buying a car and it had that option available.
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3.5K-5K monthly?!
And that to be divided between Celerio and upcoming Alto K10!
Given Alto's high volumes and Celerio's AMT demand this seems kind-of less.


Add to that the Zest AMT and the speculated Bolt too. The demand is indeed increasing and hence this supply rate still looks less.
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3.5K-5K monthly?!
And that to be divided between Celerio and upcoming Alto K10!
Given Alto's high volumes and Celerio's AMT demand this seems kind-of less.
Maruti does its planning well in advance to protect its market share. Wagon R is speculated to come in the AMT avatar in early 2015.
Now reports of Celerio AMT being tested, will it be an AMT diesel ? We will know shortly!
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Add to that the Zest .... less.
Magneti Marelli must be one happy and lucky company! What with sudden surge in AMT demand from an affordable AT Car deprived nation!

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Maruti does ..... shortly!
Some reviews say that the AMT is tuned better in Alto K10 so may be they are testing the same with Celerio?
AMT diesel in Celerio would shake up the nuts and 'Bolts' of the Hatchback market.
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Bosch jumps to the AMT party with their e-clutch system.

http://overdrive.in/news/bosch-in-ta...clutch-system/

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The success of the AMT transmission has encouraged Bosch to engage in talks with several Indian automotive manufacturers to adopt the system since its benefits outweigh those offered by the AMT
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The first and biggest benefit of the system is the higher fuel efficiency derived as compared to the AMT. The eClutch has a start stop coasting function that reduces fuel consumption by nearly 10 per cent
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AMT’s big thrust also came from the fact that the technology is highly affordable. Can Bosch provide the same levels of cost effectiveness, is still left to be seen.
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Where Bosch could score big with the eClutch system is with larger hatchbacks and the mid-range C-segment sedans whose consumers would appreciate the better refinement, smoothness and efficiency
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Looks promising with higher FE. Hopefully price non-sensitive segments will see this and we will have stress free driving in our stressful environments !

With coasting, it seems to take away the engine braking for FE. A bit of push on the accelerator is always needed to keep the engine engaged with transmission. Hopefully, it should be intelligent to sense increase in speed to re-engage the transmission
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