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Old 9th June 2015, 13:37   #1516
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I didn't think that was possible! Can you please confirm that the car is now legally registered in KA, but the number continues to be WB-XX-XX-XXXX??

My friend is shifting to Bangalore for 2.5 years, and will be going back to Delhi once that period is over. Will pass this option along to him as well to consider.
Registering a car in KA with a WB number is not possible from what I know. What he did was just pay up the LTT in Bangalore so he is not harrassed by the cops. To register the car in KA, he would need to take an NOC from the parent state and that would remove the car from their records. You can retain the original regn. number and pay up the road tax. That's all they need from you anyways. So for your friend, the options are to pay the tax (which would be a huge amount, considering he is going to spend only 2.5 years in Bangalore), or buy a new vehicle in Bangalore.
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To register the car in KA, he would need to take an NOC from the parent state and that would remove the car from their records.
That's what I thought too, and got confused reading that post Thanks for the clarification.

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So for your friend, the options are to pay the tax (which would be a huge amount, considering he is going to spend only 2.5 years in Bangalore), or buy a new vehicle in Bangalore.
Yup, as of now he plans to buy a second hand car here and sell it when he returns. I had actually advised him against bringing his car because of the hassle and cost. His parents will be using the car until he returns, so it isn't as if it would be standing around for that period either
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Taxation falls under the KA MV taxation act , that's dervied from relevant provisions of the Constitution. The RTO cannot use the provisions of the MV Act to enter premises simply as taxation doesn't fall under it !
Interesting catch there . I did re-read the section, and I feel you have a point here . Double checked the Karnataka MV Taxation Act. Looks like the RTO only has powers to stop a vehicle which is found in a public place.
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Evidence of touts being used published in today's Deccan Herald.

http://m.deccanherald.com/content/48...s-demand.html/

The Pic is clicked and posted by Karthik Raja on the FB forum.
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The man in the green shirt is not in uniform. Who is he to stop a car?
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Evidence of touts being used published in today's Deccan Herald
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The Pic is clicked and posted by Karthik Raja on the FB forum.
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The man in the green shirt is not in uniform. Who is he to stop a car?
This should be highlighted to the RTO senior officials who did say that they don't employ touts or contract employees. Posting them in Facebook may not be of help. Yes, it may get people irritated, they would start their rants on the social media, but nothing changes on the ground.

BTW, the comments in the Deccan Herald link you posted is interesting .
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You are comparing two separate incidents. One was criminals acting as police men and cheating gullible people ...If the search party is led by a officer of gazzetted rank, they do not even require a license.

So the Housing Society Association can try the trick of saying that they do not believe the squad to be genuine RTO officers. The moment they prove that they are indeed RTO officials (a warrant or government ID cards should suffice) the HSA are duty bound to let them in. And if the party is led by a gazetted officer, then no warrant is required.
No, I am not, you vouched for their behaviour, the question is why they didn't get a warrant to search the premises. The HOA might have suspected something was wrong, why didn't the RTO folks(if they weren't out to make a quick buck) pull out their ID cards? I can't think of a single instance where government officials can be blocked when they have the necessary paperwork, with the law on their side, are they claiming they couldn't get a warrant or a gazetted officer along?

An out of state car parked in an apartment complex need not have to pay tax, in the last six months, I've had a about 4 out of state cars parked in my slot, just because the RTO folks find it there doesn't mean I own it.The RTO can stay on a public road and check the cars on weekdays, if they are let in to the parking lots, its just an elevator ride up to the apartments, I am pretty certain they have no rights to barge into someone's house asking for vehicle documents.
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No, I am not, you vouched for their behaviour, the question is why they didn't get a warrant to search the premises.
If they did not follow the procedures in getting a warrant etc, how does it automatically prove that they would misbehave with women ("the woman in the poorly lighted basement facing an RTO man theory" of yours). Or for that matter even other claims of dirtying up the place etc. All I can see is a kind of hatred towards a government official. But that hatred any way does not change things on the ground.

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An out of state car parked in an apartment complex need not have to pay tax, in the last six months, I've had a about 4 out of state cars parked in my slot, just because the RTO folks find it there doesn't mean I own it.
Neither does the RTO say that. But the first step would be to find out who owns the vehicle then, am I right? The RTO squads plan would have been to do a spot check and and figure out how many potential tax-dodgers are out there. The RTO perhaps should go back to the old practise of having "spotters" who can give an approximate head count.

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Why not on the week ends? . If the RTO admits (or the Housing Society shows them the legal provisions supporting them) that they cannot enter the apartment buildings, then well and good. They can just park outside, focus on the mornings & evenings and perhaps a bit later on Friday & Saturday evenings when the late night party goers come back. I am all in favour of RTO following their own charter. If the Housing Society folks gang and up and do not allow the RTO inside, then so be it. The time is in the side of the RTO. It would be like a cat patiently waiting for the mouse to step out. What use is a vehicle for the owner, when it has to be kept parked in the basement.
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Suppose you take a NOC for a driving license does that remove your DL from their records as well?

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Registering a car in KA with a WB number is not possible from what I know. What he did was just pay up the LTT in Bangalore so he is not harrassed by the cops. To register the car in KA, he would need to take an NOC from the parent state and that would remove the car from their records. You can retain the original regn. number and pay up the road tax. That's all they need from you anyways. So for your friend, the options are to pay the tax (which would be a huge amount, considering he is going to spend only 2.5 years in Bangalore), or buy a new vehicle in Bangalore.
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Suppose you take a NOC for a driving license does that remove your DL from their records as well?
Nope.

An NOC doesn't do anything at source, it being just a statement of no objection to whatever it was issued for. The applicant actually needs to use it (at the target institution) for the specified purpose before anything actually happens.

If the applicant fails to (or choose not to) use an NOC before its expiry, status quo stays.
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Ah thanks. I'd taken the NOC and converted my RC book to a local number but better sense prevailed AFTER I got myself a DL NOC. Turns out I might be moving back to Chennai in the next few years.
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Ah thanks. I'd taken the NOC and converted my RC book to a local number but better sense prevailed AFTER I got myself a DL NOC. Turns out I might be moving back to Chennai in the next few years.
Why would you want to convert a DL when changing states? Don't all states issue an 'Indian Union Driving License'? I've been using my M.P. issued DL all over the country without issues. One occasionally runs across a dumb policeman who thinks it's invalid, but a quick pointer to the 'Indian Union' banner sorts it out.

The only exception I can think of is a renewal case, where it makes sense to transfer for the convenience of local renewal.

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If they did not follow the procedures in getting a warrant etc, how does it automatically prove that they would misbehave with women
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Neither does the RTO say that. But the first step would be to find out who owns the vehicle then, am I right? T..."spotters" who can give an approximate head count.

Why not on the week ends? . If the RTO.. The time is in the side of the RTO. It would be like a cat patiently waiting for the mouse to step out. What use is a vehicle for the owner, when it has to be kept parked in the basement.
The RTO claims wrongly of course that they don't use spotters aka touts, so I'll assume they lie more often than you'd care to admit, what's your love for the rto based on? The fact that they target people who earn more than you? If they want anonymity, they should try a different line of work, it's not hard work to present your ID when asked to, and misbehaving with women is an actual risk, government officials on a power trip with touts in tow is a recipe for disaster, may be you think it's alright, some of us have a different take.

No, you are wrong, the only step is to assume that every out state car belongs to someone living in Karnataka. Do you have a clue about how the notices are placed on cars parked inside the compound, the car is marked without even ascertaining anything about the owner. Don't shoot your mouth off claiming intelligence gathering happens, high handedness is the order of the day.

You probably don't have anyone visiting you in bangalore over a weekend, a lot of us do and no one visiting family on a weekend has an obligation to pay tax because the rto thinks that the owner is dodging taxes. Housing societies didn't gang up against the rto, they just didn't allow people claiming to be rto employees into the compound, if something went wrong the owners would have turned on the hapless security guards. You should know that predators have very low success rate, time is not on their side, which is why the rto should focus on weekday checks, haven't seen an rto squad on a weekend, they know their chances are limited.
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Why would you want to convert a DL when changing states? Don't all states issue an 'Indian Union Driving License'? I've been using my M.P. issued DL all over the country without issues. One occasionally runs across a dumb policeman who thinks it's invalid, but a quick pointer to the 'Indian Union' banner sorts it out.

The only exception I can think of is a renewal case, where it makes sense to transfer for the convenience of local renewal.
When you need ID proof for that RC book transfer in a hurry ("do this asap before the RTO guys impound your car"), and they apparently don't accept rent agreements, gas connection = in my wife's name, phone bill - would only be generated a month later etc.

BSNL luckily gave me a "connection issued" letter. Handwritten and stamped with an official's seal + signature, and that was sufficient.
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I have a 2002 manufactured Hyundai Santro (am the second owner). I do not have the original invoice, so how do I go about calculating the Road Tax that I need to pay.

There is an existing thread, but in the 2-wheeler's forum. Hence thought this would be a more appropriate forum to ask this question.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motorb...ow-what-2.html (Don't have a bill / invoice for my ride. Now what?)
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1. The RTO senior officials says touts have not been employed. Now it is for the other party to come up with evidence to show touts are getting engaged and challenge them. I guess Waseem has got the evidence and perhaps can share it with the media and the RTO officials.
Does anyone who frequents the RTO offices know that the green shirted man is a tout, rather than a clerk / peon / office boy etc at the RTO?

Or else how / why do you immediately say that he is a tout?

Both my in-laws being ex TN state govt staff, one thing I found when they were still in service was that they would routinely get "deputed" for all sorts of tasks such as census taking, manning voting booths etc. So if RTO is carrying out a drive to grab more cash from out of state drivers, why would they engage touts (and pay some money per catch) rather than bring a few of their office boys along to do the work of actually combing through parking lots and stickering out of state vehicles, or walking out onto the road to stop cars, bring the drivers before an official?

The "senior govt official" variety people tend to hate manual labour when they can depute a peon to do it.

Also note - if the man is an RTO tout, he potentially loses prospective clients if he helps stick them with a huge demand for road tax, and then turns up offering to do the paperwork for them to pay that tax, on payment of around 5..6k more in fees.

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