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Old 11th June 2015, 21:19   #1561
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I have a question.
If I pay LTT and re-register with my DL number, can I claim refund from Delhi?
Yes, you can, but only after the re-registration process is completed in the destination state/RTO as you'll need to submit this as proof in your refund claim. It's the actual registration that matters, not the registration number. Best to check with DL RTO about their policy of reg# retention post re-registration.

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Since I'll be in Bangalore for 3 years, does it make sense to take refund from KA or DL?
Not sure what you mean. Once you pay LTT and register in another state, you're eligible to claim refund from the previous one. Theoretically, as many times (and in as may states) as you want to (re)register your car.

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What would be the procedure for the refund? I don't want to end up paying tax everywhere.
Check the relevant RTO's website as procedures may vary. KA RTO website says this:

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Refund of Life Time Tax :

The owner of a motor vehicle shall be eligible for refund of Life Time Tax paid, only when the vehicle is removed outside Karnataka state.

Once the vehicle in respect of which LTT is paid to Karnataka State, is removed outside the state, the registered owner shall get the vehicle registered in that State (New State). The concerned registering authority where the vehicle is registered, shall send an intimation (CRTI) regarding migration of the Motor Vehicle.

The Refund application has to made in form no 16 along with proof of migration .

On receipt of the intimation (CRTI) , Refund application will be considered.

Refund orders will be forwarded to the address noted in the application .

REFER SECTION 7 OF KARNATAKA MOTOR VEHICLES TAXASATION ACT, 1957.

For more information contact the Jurisdictional Regional Transport Officer

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Old 13th June 2015, 10:25   #1562
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Checking of non-KA vehicles, protests in social media increase (Mathrubhumi:Malayalam)
This is now becoming a daily feature in this Malayalam paper. It just repeats the same thing again and again. And I just add the link in this thread (again & again).
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I believe Karnataka doesn't insist on issuing a KA number when a vehicle is re-registered; the state allows the previous registration mark to be reused. This was discussed on T-BHP a few months back in another thread, in the context of the large number of KL and TN commercial vehicles (buses, autos, pickups...) seen in Chararajanagar, Ramanagara, Mandya etc. districts.


It only now struck me that I've seen several MH registered autos on the roads in Bangalore. I used to wonder how they got here and how they were being allowed to ply commercially. This clears things up for me - at least the legality of it though not why they would bring an auto all the way from MH.
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This clears things up for me - at least the legality of it though not why they would bring an auto all the way from MH.
Not sure of MH, but when it comes to KL-registered vehicles several are seized by private, illegal financiers for non-repayment and resold to recover dues. An investigative series was run by a Malayalam newspaper a year or so back on this. Apparently doing this by the rulebook in KL presents formidable challenges to the financier, so they take these vehicles across the inter-state border and work with officials with malleable morals.
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What, Kerala RTO officials are that morally upright and honest?

Anyway - I just got my KA RC smartcard for my TN-07 car that I brought over with me in March and then paid LTT afresh in bangalore. It still shows my TN number though I'd given the RTO a form 28 endorsed by the chennai RTO. The broker tells me I need to wait three months and then apply for a Karnataka number. Without which I won't be able to apply for a refund of my TN LTT.

Is that the procedure here? The rulebook I found online wasn't quite clear.
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The broker tells me I need to wait three months and then apply for a Karnataka number. Without which I won't be able to apply for a refund of my TN LTT.

Is that the procedure here? The rulebook I found online wasn't quite clear.
I don't remember the exact period I had to wait, but I went through the same thing. I was asked to drive around with the original tax paid receipt (endorsed with my MP reg#), and was given the RC with my KA reg# sometime later. I never got the transitional RC like you with the old MP number on it.

That should have no bearing on applying for a refund though, as your vehicle is now officially KA-registered and the RC is proof enough, per the rules. Ground reality may vary, unfortunately.

There's nothing on the KA RTO site about this, but it's a common practice here to delay issuing a reg#. I was made to wait a month because smart cards were out of stock at my RTO, then their 'number generating software' developed a glitch.

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These guys gave me a KA smartcard stamped with my TN number. Not a tax paid receipt which is what I have been driving around with all this time since april - june.
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These guys gave me a KA smartcard stamped with my TN number.
I'd asked a couple of people in the RTO in the past, and they had no real answer to explain the intentional delay. Verifying the NOC with the source RTO during the re-registration process covers all legal angles, so what's stopping them issuing a new number in the first go? I was asked not to be extra smart and shown the door.

I concluded it's just a money making scheme. Most people like you (who got a KA smart card with a non-KA reg#) will either come back later to get a new one (paying some 'fees'), or just forego the hassle (and your previous RTO keeps your money).

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Not a tax paid receipt which is what I have been driving around with all this time since april - june.
Unless you're willing to talk to the RTO (the person, not the organisation) to help expedite, you don't really have an option but to wait the 'prescribed' period. Your current RC card should be sufficient to keep you out of trouble, but do get the new number if you intend to claim a refund someday (both TN & KA).

If you went through a broker/agent, let him handle this.

P.S. Sucks to be made to jump through hoops even when one wants to play by the rules. Ground reality is the rules are what the RTO says they are.

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Broker - and one recommended by a BHPian who employs him in a 2 wheeler dealership. A very helpful man indeed.
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What, Kerala RTO officials are that morally upright and honest?

Anyway - I just got my KA RC smartcard for my TN-07 car that I brought over with me in March and then paid LTT afresh in bangalore. It still shows my TN number though I'd given the RTO a form 28 endorsed by the chennai RTO. The broker tells me I need to wait three months and then apply for a Karnataka number. Without which I won't be able to apply for a refund of my TN LTT.

Is that the procedure here? The rulebook I found online wasn't quite clear.
Are you going to settle down in bangalore on a long term basis??. If not I would advise you to stick to the TN number plate.
For change of number from TN to KA you will have to make trips to the chennai RTO. This will cost you time and money.
Say you have plans to get back to chennai, then the TN number will still hold good. If you have changed the reg no. from TN to KA and you get back to TN, then again you will have to change the no. from KA to TN.
I don't think the RTO in chennai will allow you to run the vehicle with KA number plate.
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I will be in bangalore for a minimum of 4 years I guess (or rather, I need to be with this current employer for at least four years, most likely in bangalore though I might get sent stateside too god knows). So I don't see any sense in both RTOs enjoying my LTT amount
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Hi, I am planning to pay the Karnataka LTT but I don't want to change my TN number plate as I will be returning in 3-4 years.

My query, for those who have done this, is do I have to surrender my RC card? If yes, what will I do when I return back to TN; wouldn't I be left with an KA RC card with TN number?
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Hi, I am planning to pay the Karnataka LTT but I don't want to change my TN number plate as I will be returning in 3-4 years.

My query, for those who have done this, is do I have to surrender my RC card? If yes, what will I do when I return back to TN; wouldn't I be left with an KA RC card with TN number?
To pay the LTT , there is no need to surrender any of your original documents. All they require is money and nothing else. Keep the LTT receipt safely in the car which will help if the banglore RTO stops you to check the documents.

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Hi, I am planning to pay the Karnataka LTT but I don't want to change my TN number plate as I will be returning in 3-4 years.

My query, for those who have done this, is do I have to surrender my RC card? If yes, what will I do when I return back to TN; wouldn't I be left with an KA RC card with TN number?
No need to surrender any documents. Just pay the LTT in the nearby RTO.
BTW how old is your car and what is the invoice price of your vehicle?. This info is very much needed to calculate how much tax you have to shell out.
I too have a TN registered santro for which I have paid LTT without changing the TN number plate.
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Thank you for the quick reply guys!

I too was under the same impression that I need not surrender any documents. But if you could navigate to the previous page in this thread, you would see what I mean. KA RTO is providing KA RC card with another state registration number and not an invoice. The person who posted the message (I believe it is ssjr0498) had surrendered his parent state RC.

Hence my confusion.
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