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Old 24th July 2014, 12:51   #871
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sagarpadaki! Why doesnt he show his proof of residence as Hosur and his proof of employment as E-city? Also he should have the toll passes. That should be a good enough argument.
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I need advice and repeating my question.

I have a 2008 TN Civic which did 38k. I calculated LTT to be 1.3L. Questions

1) Can I pay LTT in KA and not change the registration forever.. i.e. retain the TN number
2) Can I claim refund in KA if I decide to move out of KA after couple of years ?
3) Is it worth paying 1.3L or better to sell the car, and buy another one.

Need urgent help
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Well han can say that he "works from home" in Hosur and vists E-City office one or twice a month only for some meetings.

I am not sure If HCL would give a letter but if they could do so, it would be an added bonus.

I know this is ethically incorrect but maybe try this. Remove that HCL Sticker from the car and request a new HCL Sticker from the company and keep it dangling inside the car or put it in a CD puch and display on the windshield. Display the sticket only when about to enter the premises and remove the sticker when exiting the company. This way the RTO official cannot prove that you are living in bangalore.


- Your friend should have have told that sticker belongs to HCL Chennai. He is visting bangalore for one day only
Damage is already done. Cannot do post mortem now.

Need suggestions on how he can get the vehicle back and what to do if he gets caught in future
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This, my friend is what i have been trying to say all along. Karnataka is not an island state. It shares its borders with other states. To wreck havoc in what is already a delicate relationship between KA-TN, all that TN needs to do is setup similar traps just outside the KA border as cars enter Hosur. Imagine the number of KA vehicles which would be commuting across on a weekend. On a normal weekend the number of KA vehicles going to Hogennakkal in itself is good enough.

As someone whose KA registered car bore the brunt in TN during the Cauvery water riots, i reiterate that all this regionalistic attitude is only going to create more problems. That said, during this tense time, i had to drive my KA registered car via TN to KL as my mom was admitted to hospital suddenly. Now imagine similar situations for someone from KA with a TN registered car who has to drive in to Bangalore for some urgent purpose!
Yes !! Possible, if you can prove to the RTO that the car has been driven from Kerala and will leave in a couple of days. Things like Emission test / RC book / Tool receipts / Fuel bills will show the RTO that it is a temporary vehicle.

The only way to target these menaces is to have an electronic entry system at the border, which can provided good data, but india needs to go a long way in technology.

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sagarpadaki! Why doesnt he show his proof of residence as Hosur and his proof of employment as E-city? Also he should have the toll passes. That should be a good enough argument.
Yes !! He can show proof and tell tha he is not a bangalore resident and does not stay there. Even he is ready to pay KA tax, KA govt cannot collect it without a local address proof.

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Damage is already done. Cannot do post mortem now.

Need suggestions on how he can get the vehicle back and what to do if he gets caught in future
Try to talk/bribe your way out. Bribe is unethical but it is unethical to charge a daily visit vehicle with road tax and registration. As him to remove the sticker from the car. An RTO Agent can help him for sure. another inspector in the RTO might be more reasonable or it is better to meet the "RTO" head in person. Pleade that he does not stay in KA and is only a Day visitor for sure. He uses car as he does night shifts regularly and stuff like that.

Whenever he takes his car from hosur to E-City, ask him to show the toll receipt and tell the RTO that he would go back in the evening. He can also tell them that he has not residence in KA at all. Fuel bills, emission and similar help here in reinforcing the fact.

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Yes !! He can show proof and tell tha he is not a bangalore resident and does not stay there. Even he is ready to pay KA tax, KA govt cannot collect it without a local address proof.
Tax payment does not need address proof at all. It just needs RC book, emission and insurance.

Only if you want to register a vehicle in KA it would need address proof.
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Whenever he takes his car from hosur to E-City, ask him to show the toll receipt and tell the RTO that he would go back in the evening. He can also tell them that he has not residence in KA at all. Fuel bills, emission and similar help here in reinforcing the fact.
Anyone traveling from KL through Wayanad/Mysore may not have a toll receipt. Similarly, one traveling from Kelamangalam/Hosur will not have a toll receipt.

IMO, any genuine cases, talk to RTO confidently and explain things. If they are still insisting on tax, ask them to give it in writing.
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I need advice and repeating my question.

I have a 2008 TN Civic which did 38k. I calculated LTT to be 1.3L. Questions

1) Can I pay LTT in KA and not change the registration forever.. i.e. retain the TN number
Yes. You should change the registration within a year. But no one cares if you have paid the tax.
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2) Can I claim refund in KA if I decide to move out of KA after couple of years ?
Only if you change the registration to KA.

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3) Is it worth paying 1.3L or better to sell the car, and buy another one.
If you pay up you could get the refund from TN. You need to work out on the actual difference then. One advantage is that you can sell the car in KA which may fetch a better price. Selling the car and buying in Bangalore is again going to be money loosing affair.
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Can a petition to the Bangalore transport commissioner bring a solution to this kind of atrocity?
https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitio...tered-vehicles

Not sure what effect this will have. But worth a try
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Yes. You should change the registration within a year. But no one cares if you have paid the tax.

Only if you change the registration to KA.


If you pay up you could get the refund from TN. You need to work out on the actual difference then. One advantage is that you can sell the car in KA which may fetch a better price. Selling the car and buying in Bangalore is again going to be money loosing affair.
Would it be ok if I pay LTT here with NOC from TN, and later try NOC, and re-registration in KA and ask for refund ?
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I need advice and repeating my question.

I have a 2008 TN Civic which did 38k. I calculated LTT to be 1.3L. Questions

1) Can I pay LTT in KA and not change the registration forever.. i.e. retain the TN number
2) Can I claim refund in KA if I decide to move out of KA after couple of years ?
3) Is it worth paying 1.3L or better to sell the car, and buy another one.

Need urgent help
I hope you calculated the 1.3 L taking into account the depreciation.
Ref: http://dpal.kar.nic.in/ao2010/7of2010%28E%29.pdf

For a new car in KA, you'll anyway shell out around 80-90K to register your premium hatchback. Leave apart the extra money that you may have to invest if you buy a car costlier than the proceeds you receive from your 6 year old Civic. On top of that you might move out, and at that time you'll have to ask for a refund here and then go through registration in TN.

Even if you plan to stay in Bangalore endlessly, get your vehicle valued today and see if this 1.3L will be cheaper or buying a new vehicle here (Also account for higher insurance premiums and forgoing an amazing car for a smaller one, if you don't plan to invest extra that is). If you plan to buy a car in the price range of Civic in Bangalore after selling it in TN, then I'd say- Don't! Pay the tax here. Its just done 38K!
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Hi,

Need some urgent advice. My wife was driving my TN registered Figo today and got pulled over by RTO. After a long wait, they seized her licence, RC book and a few other docs and asked her to come to the Yestwantpur RTO (I live in Sarjapur road and she got caught near Manyata). I am going out of the country next week and need to sort it asap. A few questions:

- What should I take to the RTO to pay the tax + fine? Any documents?

- Would they accept cash, cheque or do I need a DD?

- Is the process as simple as paying the fine and getting the docs? or is there more to it? There reason I ask is because Yeshwantpur is very far from where I live and I cant keep going there back and forth. I am out of the country as well.

- How long does this process take?

Please help. thank you!
You may need to take the below documents,

1. Registration card of car.
2. Invoice of car(This is used to calculate the tax amount)
3. Insurance of car.
4. Address proof.

The payment has to be done through DD.

You will have to fill the below form,
http://rto.kar.nic.in/kmvt-14.pdf

I took around 30-45 mins for me to pay the road tax(it was a week day and couple of years back). However situation may be different now due to these RTO checks, there could be some rush.

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I think now RTOs in Bangalore has gone beyond their limits, if people from Yellahanka or Yashwanthpur can come to E-city, Hosur is still near by, and obviously it does not make sense to pay road tax in Karnataka if someone is a resident of Tamilnadu..

If the employee of HCL is a regular to office, he will have Attibele toll receipts to justify the case.

I think now its time for us Bangaloreans to do something legally to stop this injustice. Else we are going to be in same situation when we go out.

What say guys?
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If the employee of HCL is a regular to office, he will have Attibele toll receipts to justify the case.

I think now its time for us Bangaloreans to do something legally to stop this injustice. Else we are going to be in same situation when we go out.

What say guys?
Tolls receipts are just a supporting document. If he is regular from Hosur to E.City, its possible that he travel through TVS factory to avoid queue at Attibelle toll. So he may not have a receipt.

While agreeing that anybody staying here permanently should pay tax, targeting a short term visitor/daily commuter across boarder is indeed injustice. These victims are not an organized group so end up in trouble/don't fight legally.

Who is bothered to take the legal initiative?
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Would it be ok if I pay LTT here with NOC from TN, and later try NOC, and re-registration in KA and ask for refund ?
- NOC is not required for LTT in KA
- If you are taking NOC then you can re-register in KA and apply for refund in TN
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Would it be ok if I pay LTT here with NOC from TN, and later try NOC, and re-registration in KA and ask for refund ?
You could do it. But note that the NOC expires after a while, though I don't know the exact period.

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Who is bothered to take the legal initiative?
I wholeheartedly support the initiative. Also as a truthful road tax payer of KA, I would also like to question the govt where the tax money goes. They don't seem to spend even 0.1% the earnings to their own dept. For e.g. for the last 10 years I am seeing the crappy website of KA RTO with half baked information and some random link to some docs and pdfs. Absolutely no service to the premium tax payers in the country. Imagine, a third party (btis.in) had to develop a website for finding out fine details and registration details, that too with an age old database. Compare this to the Kerala RTO website. They digitized the complete dept and put them online a decade back. Vehicle details, Licence details, Fancy number registration/status, etc are all available online.

Looking at the way KA govt is going overboard, it seriously looks like unified tax across the country is around the corner, maybe from next year. Thoughts?
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