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Old 8th June 2015, 10:40   #256
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Experienced the outside sound. It is as bad as that of Polo. Polo is mini lorry like, while Celerio is autorikshaw-like.
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I always feel that engine noise and refinement was never going to be a concern to a common Indian car buyer - but mileage is - ALWAYS a MAJOR concern. Going by that, there is very good probability that this car will have decent sales. Also, the fact that it is a fuel efficient diesel city car gives it a huge potential in the cab market and self-driven rentals. With Ola cabs and Zoom cars going for unconventional cabs like Figo, Ritz, etc. it will not be too far to see Celerio 125 cabs.

And, what a marketing tactic by Maruti to call the car Celerio 125 (going by Torque) and not Celerio 800 (going by CC). At least some of the ignorant buyers will think the car has a 1.25 L engine. Maruti knows how to make themselves look good in front of unsuspecting customers.

My major major issue with the car is the pricing. Celerio petrol is actually just a below-average seller by Maruti standards. ~5.5k per month is not great numbers for a small car from Maruti considering their reach in the Tier 2 and 3 cities. Only age-old Ritz and bigger cars like Ciaz / Ertiga sell lesser among the mainstream models - even Omni sells much more. One main reason is the pricing of the petrol model which is also pretty high for what it offers. So a diesel model with a premium of ~75k is unacceptable.
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Maruti did a brilliant job at silencing the 1.3mjd, what went wrong with those expert 'refiners' here! Anyway.

If anyone is going to test drive it, please measure the sound levels (dB) under various conditions.

There are quite some Apps for the same, maybe try the Bosch iNVH app.

Maruti is overconfidently riding on its percieved brand value.

I'm quite sure people will choose the Nano XTA (AMT) at 3.5L OTR Blr instead of the Celerio Zdi at 6.5L OTR Blr.

It's not a running race to see how many they'll sell and if the sales will pick up 'momentum', if it's a flop, it's a flop - even being from 'Maruti Stable' will not save it.
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Glad that they postponed their bigger Diesel engine to 2017-18. Better let them source the Diesel engine from Fiat forever. The 2-pot clatter is very un-Maruti. Had they introduced it in Eeco, I wouldn't have complained too much (the only thing will be it will kill the G12 Petrol engine in Eeco).

This 2-cyl diesel coupled with the upcoming mini-lorry from Maruti will seal Maruti's bad fate in upper segments, I believe.
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Thanks Leoshashi for posting the videos.

Sounds just like a diesel auto-rikshaw. In Bangalore the top end variant will cost over 7 lakh rupess which is pretty steep for a small two cylinder diesel hatch. When you are standing in a traffic signal with the windows rolled down the two cylinder clatter is going to be unbearable. Some on here seem to assume no matter how unrefined/noisy the engine is, people will buy this car just because of it being a diesel and a Maruti. I am afraid looks like Maruti will get a reality check with this variant. This engine is suitable for a three wheeler or small commercial goods carrier. Really depressing to see Maruti plonking a crude unrefined and noisy two pot motor in a small hatch and price it over 7 lakhs on road.
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OT - Some pages there was a discussion on why suddenly the 2-cyl nano bashers went quiet on this 2-pot celerio ddis.

That ^ Unknown 'quiet' variable is "Exactly" what the 2-pot nano makers should find out asap before they shut down their company for good.

Maruti seems to know what the market wants and delivers it, over and over again.

Another point spoken was maruti is desperatly trying every trick up their sleeve to juggle with new products/variants/engines - isnt it what they are supposed to do in the first place?

Why didnt they do it in the alto & wagonR line - simple - those product lines are nearing (EOL) EndOfLife (or rather) Celerio is a brand new platform and customers are all gung-ho about this new line.

Accept it, even the swift is becoming a shred of chicken tikka in the tooth, so it underwent a face-over a year or so back.

Dont be surprised if a celerio sedan comes out in 2-3 years. And for sure dont be surprised if the Celerio DDiS waiting period hits 6-12 months by end of July!
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GOSH, I just could not resist posting a reply here !

Y 2015 - 2 Cylinder 800 CC, 47 DEAD horses, 60% of a million bucks !!

Someone who has been bankrupt since 2012 in the Mecca of automobiles !!!

Made of sheet that would be thinner than the ones used for Coke Cans !!!!

What on earth is happening, if someone loves diesel that much, please go DRINK it, but please do not splurge hard earned money on what is being thrown at us by these guys.

It is one word that has always killed the Indian Automobile Market - "Mileage". RD would be the best example.

This thing needs to go!

Suzuki you guys are milking the cow man by these absurd launches.

PS: Thoughts are mine, no offense to any potential buyer or owner.
Couldn't have said it better!

This will set a wrong precedent for all the other manufacturers.

When you are a market leader and when you are in the position of authority, you have a certain responsibility not to abuse it. Shame on you, Maruti!

Wafer thin Tin cans, 0 star ratings, Twin cylinder diesel engine, Exorbitant pricing - all to milk the common Indian man - Seriously Maruti, you have transformed to become a huge black mark in Indian Automobile Industry.

A trash car gets only trash reviews, you know it and decided not to showcase the car to the media. How smart!

I seriously wish and hope that fellow Indians come out of their naivety and ignore brands like Maruti which are nothing but parasites.
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What ?

All Maruti is doing is giving customer a choice to buy a small diesel engine that is fuel efficient. If you want refinement, please spend a li'l more and upgrade to a Ritz.

I see nothing wrong in Maruti offering it as an option. It is up to the market to accept or reject it.
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I will reserve my comments on the engine noise till I hear it myself in person. But Celerio is not the cheapest car offered by Maruti to put in a 2 cyl.
They could have launched it with a 1000 cc 3 cylinder engine, similar configuration as the Beat. It would have had potential to become a "Beat-beater" beater car for many

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I see nothing wrong in Maruti offering it as an option. It is up to the market to accept or reject it.
Honestly, does this not apply to safety equipment as well. We all fume when automakers skimp on safety features, but then they have the same mindset - we are offering an option, it is up to the market to accept or reject it (and history suggest market has been accepting this with both hands).

We as an educated community definitely want the sector to move forward and a 2 cylinder diesel in a passenger car segment sounding agricultural is definitely bound to receive flak. Why not?
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Honestly, does this not apply to safety equipment as well. We all fume when automakers skimp on safety features, but then they have the same mindset - we are offering an option, it is up to the market to accept or reject it (and history suggest market has been accepting this with both hands).

We as an educated community definitely want the sector to move forward and a 2 cylinder diesel in a passenger car segment sounding agricultural is definitely bound to receive flak. Why not?
I am all for offering ABS + 2 Airbags as standard across all variants and all cars. This could be done by an OEM out of choice, like Toyota, or through govt intervention like pollution norms.

On the refinement part, it is the market that'll decide whether the product will be successful. Of course, you and I will not buy it. But think of a family where affordability is a concern over refinement. That's the target segment IMO, and Maruti shouldn't be faulted for trying to target them.
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Maruti is trying something unconventional via this launch. It won't matter much if they launch one more small entry-level car with petrol engine and increase the mileage by say 1-2 kms. No one will notice that. Also that segment was attempted by Nano and we have seen the results as the cost of running per km was not reduced by a greater extent for the 2-wheeler riders as the real world mileage of Nano was 12-15.
Now only new segments give the edge to any company. Hyundai joined compact sedan segment, is launching Compact SUV, Maruti launching compact SUV, Renault launching Micro SUV, etc. grab the eyeballs much more than yet another Sedan (Ciaz) launched by Maruti or anybody. Who knows now next big thing after various compact launches turns out to be a Station Wagon.
For an average joe it really doesn't matter whether there are 2 cylinders or 20 otherwise why so many educated engineers or IT guys fall blindly for Polo. Also if the engine note is hopelessly weird like Nano (No offense intended) it won't matter much if its a Maruti. I also found it acceptable atleast in the comparison video with Swift, lets see whether my opinion changes after actual TD.
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I guess Celerio Diesel engine has many connections with the Maxximo engine. Bosch was involved in the development of both engines, both engines are 2-cyl units, 4-valves per cyl, and both sounds similar too! But other specs-wise, they are different (Maxximo: 909CC 25BHP, Celerio: 796CC 47BHP).

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Had a long discussion with Rajan Sir, director of autoteam maruti service masters, kochi. These are his inputs.
1. This engine is Suzuki's own design ( and is not based on fiat MJD technology ) and is an all aluminium design like the Honda idtec
2. He had seen the engine completely opened during the training from maruti and he said he's impressed with the effort and design.
3. The vehicle feels surprisingly powerful when driven with full load
4. Even though the 2 cylinder knocking sound is evident from outside, inside the cabin, the sound insulation is excellent.
5. Since this is Suzuki's own technology and since the engine displacement is small, they could have priced it better.

Personally, what I feel is that Indians are generally very sensitive to the engine refinement and might just ignore this product. The same engine might be a hit if used on alto in entry level taxi segment.

Having said that, there's a lot of curiosity inside me to try out this engine.

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