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Old 8th May 2014, 16:59   #46
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First I thought I accidentally landed up in Fiat Future Plans thread.

Guys, there is world beyond Fiat also. I request Fiat fanboys to please stop hijacking each and every thread by praising the ancient age Fiat engines and techs. World is moving forward and we should also do the same. Today there are far better cars than Fiats available in the Indian market.

Earlier version of the SX4 crossover was being sold by Fiat also with different name so presence of Fiat engine was obvious. Here looks like Suzuki is planning to develop and sell the Sx4 solely. I am really looking forward positively for this move by Suzuki. Hope they really bring something without a Fiat engine.

Peugeot holds very good reputation in the automobile engine sector. Hope they repeat their earlier success in India this time also.I also hope that Peugeot brings some of their cars here after tasting the success with this engine.

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Have always found the Peugeot diesel engines to be much noisier than the Fiat's/Renault's (Observed on Commercial vehicles in Singapore & 309 in India). Not sure of their reliability though.

Came across the below regarding the Peugeot diesel engine.
http://www.peugeot.com.sg/latest-hap.../diesel-range/

and the specs of the same:
http://www.peugeot.com.sg/le-models/vans/partner/v

O.T: http://www.fiat.com.sg/fiat-qubo.php
1.3 multijet's first service is at 30,000 KM only!!! Its at just 10,000 KM in India right?

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The Qubo is also ecological. With the 1.3 Multijet 75 bhp engine (also available with the DPF diesel particulate filter), CO2 emissions are only 119 g/km with fuel consumption of just 4.5 litres per 100 km (it can go almost 1000 km on a full tank). And the first scheduled service comes only after 30,000 km.
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Have always found the Peugeot diesel engines to be much noisier than the Fiat's/Renault's (Observed on Commercial vehicles in Singapore & 309 in India). Not sure of their reliability though.

Came across the below regarding the Peugeot diesel engine.
http://www.peugeot.com.sg/latest-hap.../diesel-range/

and the specs of the same:
http://www.peugeot.com.sg/le-models/vans/partner/v

O.T: http://www.fiat.com.sg/fiat-qubo.php
1.3 multijet's first service is at 30,000 KM only!!! Its at just 10,000 KM in India right?
And that peugeot engine is a serious mother of Fiat Engine. Damn reliable. Some parts are fragile like VW's but overall, the engine is damn reliable like the mighty Qualis engines. But not a pleasure to drive engine. Just reliable.

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And that peugeot engine is a serious mother of Fiat Engine. Damn reliable. Some parts are fragile like VW's but overall, the engine is damn reliable like the mighty Qualis engines. But not a pleasure to drive engine. Just reliable.
The HDI 1.6 engine being referenced here though (used by Ford as well) has had reliability issues and has been notoriously unable to tolerate abuse like missed oil or filter changes and prone to turbo failures too. So not sure how it will stand up to our environment and the quality of our fuel and lackadaisical service center staff.
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this DV6 is same as Fold DLD a.k.a Duratorq. So this is effectively the same engine as the Fiesta?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_DLD_engine#DLD-416
Yes, the same family , jointly developed previously. However the New Fiesta in India uses DV5, a 1.5 L version of the same.
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Please keep the discussion to the SX4 Cross & Peugeot only. Any more off-topic posts will be deleted.

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I guess Maruti is tired paying royalty so they need to change the engine too.

Anurag.
MS has to pay royalty for the HDi also.
They don't have a way to avoid that in the near future. Production of the 1.5/1.6 Ltr. diesel engine By MS will take atleast another couple of years or more.

A search on the net reveals that this engine has a high carbon built-up inside the engine and this ultimately results in the turbo failure. This engine requires meticulous and regular servicing involving changing the oil and all filters. Will be eager to see how it fares in the Indian condition.
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The test car imported into India on 30th January 2014 has Engine Number D16AA7051789, NEW CBU DIESEL CAR MODEL-SX4 S-CROSS,1600CC,RHD,MT,BLACK CH NO.TSMJYB82S00120517,(FOR R&D)MFR-SUZUKI as per https://www.zauba.com/import-suzuki-...s-hs-code.html. Can someone decipher the Engine Number?
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The test car imported into India on 30th January 2014 has Engine Number D16AA7051789, NEW CBU DIESEL CAR MODEL-SX4 S-CROSS,1600CC,RHD,MT,BLACK CH NO.TSMJYB82S00120517,(FOR R&D)MFR-SUZUKI as per https://www.zauba.com/import-suzuki-...s-hs-code.html. Can someone decipher the Engine Number?

AutoCar's Harmazd Sorabjee confirms that the EU Suzuki S-cross will get the Fiat 1.6 engine. (Link here). Guess the same will apply to the Indian version. Hope Fiat will be in a position to launch the engine in its own vehicles.
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The test car imported into India on 30th January 2014 has Engine Number D16AA7051789, NEW CBU DIESEL CAR MODEL-SX4 S-CROSS,1600CC,RHD,MT,BLACK CH NO.TSMJYB82S00120517,(FOR R&D)MFR-SUZUKI as per https://www.zauba.com/import-suzuki-...s-hs-code.html. Can someone decipher the Engine Number?
It is indeed the 1.6L multijet from Fiat. They share the same cubic capacity, max power and max torque whatever is given in the UK sites of the S-Cross. However, the Hdi engine too states same displacement, just that the power output is way lesser. Now this is getting mysterious
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The test car imported into India on 30th January 2014 has Engine Number D16AA7051789, NEW CBU DIESEL CAR MODEL-SX4 S-CROSS,1600CC,RHD,MT,BLACK CH NO.TSMJYB82S00120517,(FOR R&D)MFR-SUZUKI as per https://www.zauba.com/import-suzuki-...s-hs-code.html. Can someone decipher the Engine Number?

The engine number is a CLEAR indication that it's the Fiat 1.6 MJD. The D16AA.. is the acronym for Diesel (D) 1.6 litre (16). The 1.3 MJD engine number starts with D13A which is Diesel (D) 1.3 litre (13). I know because I have one!
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The 1.6 HDi was known to have turbo failures but that was never primarily due to the engine design, rather the kind of service intervals that had been recommended for it by the company. The earlier service schedules for this engine asked for oil changes every 20K kms & this wasn't even on fully synthetic oil.

Plagued by this issue, the company later altered the service schedules & there haven't been such issues in the recent years unless someone has been out rightly callous.

Also, Peugeot is one of the oldest & most respected companies when it comes to diesels & is counted up there with companies like Isuzu in terms of design as well as reliability (I think we all know about the TED5 & the XDP). A simple example of their design elements from the 1.6HDi is the inclusion of small filters in the oil sump (near the entry into the oil pump) & the turbo feed lines that prevent any sort of particles from getting circulated around the engine & the turbo.

As for noise, yes, they are noisy especially when compared to the competition but then a lot of that is because this engine (or most of it) is made out of only aluminum (or better, an aluminum alloy), which inherently is not as capable at sound insulation as cast iron. Moreover, I personally seem to like the diesel clatter of the HDi series from Peugeot (I even like the sound from the 1.5 TDCi, sounds quite refined); I think its a lot better than the crude sounding TDIs from VW.
There must be reasons (apart from monetary) as to why the HDi finds its way into Minis, Fords & Jaguars till date. Even Toyota had used the HDi (1.4 liter) in their Yaris before coming out with their own small diesel.

Lastly, w.r.t carbon deposits, though I am not too up-to-date on Fiat's 1.6JTD, it has been known to plug its DPFs causing erratic behaviors amongst other things. Therefore, I believe its about following a "relevant" service schedule that optimizes engine performance at the minimum possible cost, instead of the focus being only minimum cost, which is what led to problems for Peugeot in case of the 1.6HDi.

PS: My post may portray that I am big-time Peugeot proponent, but I am not. Its just that I knew a bit about the HDi & admire the company (just like I admire Fiat for the common rail tech), so thought of sharing what I knew.

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The test car imported into India on 30th January 2014 has Engine Number D16AA7051789, NEW CBU DIESEL CAR MODEL-SX4 S-CROSS,1600CC,RHD,MT,BLACK CH NO.TSMJYB82S00120517,(FOR R&D)MFR-SUZUKI as per https://www.zauba.com/import-suzuki-...s-hs-code.html. Can someone decipher the Engine Number?
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The engine number is a CLEAR indication that it's the Fiat 1.6 MJD. The D16AA.. is the acronym for Diesel (D) 1.6 litre (16). The 1.3 MJD engine number starts with D13A which is Diesel (D) 1.3 litre (13). I know because I have one!
True. D16AA does indicate that it's a 1.6 diesel, but I don't think we can confirm its an MJD from FIAT since D16AA is Suzuki nomenclature.

Be it the fiat 1.6 or the Peogeot 1.6- it will be called the D16AA DDiS engine when they put it in a Suzuki.

http://www.globalsuzuki.com/automobi...oss/index.html
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Maruti S-Cross being readied for India. Spy photographs of the car in Manali, India

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Maruti has begun testing its Renault Duster rival in India; will likely come with a 118bhp, 1.6-litre diesel engine.

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The Maruti S-Cross is expected to come with LED daytime running lamps and 16-inch alloy wheels, at least for the top-spec variant. The interiors of the Indian version are expected to feature a two-tone theme and, taking a page from Hyundai’s book, Maruti is also expected to load the S-Cross with a lot of equipment too. Much of the switchgear and even the steering wheel will be shared with other Maruti models to keep costs in check.
The S-Cross is expected to come with a 1.6-litre, four-cylinder diesel engine. This unit, like the 1.3-litre diesel that does duty in other Marutis, will also be sourced from Fiat. It churns out a decent 118bhp of power and 32kgm of torque, and is expected to be mated to a six-speed manual gearbox.
When launched, the S-Cross is likely to be priced at around Rs 13-14 lakh
http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...ia-387396.aspx

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^^^ Great news indeed !! I hope Maruti will launch this car ASAP. Others are running away with large numbers month after month like XUV, Duster, Terrano etc. This car can give them serious fight for sure. 1.6 Diesel Mutijet from Fiat sounds very interesting. I am sure MUL will tune it best like they did for 1.3 Multijet. SX4 cross has lots of potential in India currently with the ongoing boom for SUVish vehicles. Hope they will price it sensibly.
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