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Old 13th July 2015, 15:27   #931
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I think Maruti is missing a trick here by trying to position the S-Cross as a premium crossover. They could market it as India's first premium hatchback. (No one remembers the old SRV anyways!)

From the reviews and the first impressions from BHP'ians above - it seems to have everything going for it, from a sporty C segment hatchback perspective.

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Yes, different models. The farthest one has black roofrails.
For me - it looks like the others also have it, but in silver or white shades.

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Why can't we have 2 turbos? One that comes live from 500-1500RPM, and the second one from 1500RPM onwards.
Costs.

Such setups do exist in some of the premium cars though. Twin turbo, twin scroll turbo and even things like VGT all try to serve the same purpose - reduce that infamous turbo lag.
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For me - it looks like the others also have it, but in silver or white shades.
Yup, that's what I meant. Black v/s Body Coloured
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Auto X's review is out.

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To be honest, the S-Cross is a decent design, but it looks more like a raised and elongated hatchback rather than a pure crossover.

The interiors of the S-Cross are quite promising though, it is a roomy car, with a good amount of space available in both the front and rear rows, and a decently large boot. Of course, like most other brands the S-Cross shares a large number of parts with other products from the Maruti range such as the touchscreen multimedia system, the climate control and other items. Which is no bad thing, as all these components are tried-and-trusted and function quite well. However, when it comes to the touch-and-feel of the interior and the quality aspect, it is something that Maruti needs to work on. The competition has seriously upped the game, especially when it comes to plastics and other surfaces, and while the interiors of the S-Cross feel quite good, the overall impression is that there is room for improvement in that aspect.

Driving it on the road, the S-Cross feels quite nimble and handles quite well, the suspension is fairly well tuned and is quite comfortable, however we feel that on bad roads the ride can get quite choppy, especially in the rear-end. The car feels very stable even at high speeds, and the standard disc brakes on all wheels, along with the ABS system works quite well. Also helping the car in that aspect are the 205-section tyres fitted on to 16-inch wheels. The six-speed gearbox is quite nice to operate though, offering crisp shifts with very well defined shift gates. The 1.6-litre engine is quite refined and has low NVH levels, but below 1,700rpm it has quite a bit of turbo lag, so driving it in urban conditions would be slightly tricky. On the flip side, post 1,700rpm the engine revs very quickly and delivers fantastic mid and top-end power.

Overall, the S-Cross is a refined machine, which is quite nice to drive and quite roomy too, making it a good car for everyday use, as long as you donít think of it as an SUV. The real test however, will be the pricing of the S-Cross.
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Old 13th July 2015, 15:52   #934
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I would believe that the cost will increase exponentially and make it unsuitable. Seems like the Toyota Supra had such a setup whereas the BiTurbo engines of Mercedes/BMW/Audi have two turbos for each bank of cylinders, i.e. 1,3,5 feed through one turbo and the even cylinders through the other.
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Costs.

Such setups do exist in some of the premium cars though. Twin turbo, twin scroll turbo and even things like VGT all try to serve the same purpose - reduce that infamous turbo lag.
Oh! Already available in high end cars? I thought I can apply for a patent for this

Just now noticed that Ford Ecoboost engines use twin turbos!


Regarding the positioning: I guess whoever thought of i20 for being compact and feature-rich to use in city but less-powerful to use in highways, can now think of S-Cross as their cruiser.

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Usually turbo is driven by exhaust gas, that is why it takes time to "Spool". An alternative is to run the turbo electrically. That has been done before, but costs rise. What would be ideal is that at low RPM the turbo is driven electrically and once the RPM is up, the exhaust gasses take over.
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@ARoy - is it not turbo run by electrical means called a supercharger ? Atleast I have thought so till now!!

How practical is twin turbo set up in million rupee cars? I think xuv 5oo was the cheapest car proposed to be available in India with twin turbo setup.
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S Cross- Another view!

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How practical is twin turbo set up in million rupee cars? I think xuv 5oo was the cheapest car proposed to be available in India with twin turbo setup.
XUV-500 does not have twin scroll turbo, it has a VGT. AFAIK cheapest car i know with Twin Scroll Turbo is Mahindra Quanto.
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S Cross- Another view!
Thanks for the link bro.
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That review sums up everything well and should keep the confusion at bay regarding the identity crisis that people are relating the S Cross to. It is just a premium crossover that Maruti Suzuki is trying to tell the world.

I am typing the below after living with my Swift ZDi for 1.6 years and 50K kms,

-- The S Cross does look premium and premium to touch, feel and live in. There is a marked change over parameters like Quality, fit and finish. Hard to believe it is made by Maruti-Suzuki but all I can say is "Acche din aa gaye hai!"

-- Interiors on the Swift I consider to be the best in its class be it in design and overall looks this car has just moved the barge pole ahead.

-- Space is brilliant again after the lack of it in my Swift. This car feels like Merc S class in terms of space. Same goes for the boot.

-- With my commute mainly on highways, with speeds asking 80-110 kmph, the Swift feels slightly strained at RPMs over 2500. I always had the desire of a powerful yet fuel efficient engine to get the best of both worlds. The 1.6L MJD aka DDiS 320 is my choice of engine option with Top-end variant to back it up.

-- I love the car specially in Blue and Brown too, but all will be decided after the pricing is out.

Looks etc I am not bothered at all. All I want is the interiors, bells and whistles and that 1.6L engine. Wish there was an option to change the tyres and alloys before delivery to something sensible looking. Hope you are listening to this Maruti Suzuki!

Fire the guy who selected the alloy wheel design for this car. Damn!

PS : Was silently reading each and every post in this thread regarding the car and I didn't want to comment since I was waiting to feel the car myself and then post something here. I didn't drive it though.

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@ anshuman - I think mahindra proposed a twin turbo variant with 440 nm torque rating. And it's twin turbo rather than twin scroll like the one in BMW 3 series.
Twin scroll is just a partitioned turbo for better laminar flow of exhaust gas and doesn't have two separate turbos. 😇
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Was waiting eagerly for the creta. As more and more details are emerging, Creta is going away from my budget day by day. For the max 13.5 OTR, all I can probably get would be the 1.4 SX. But soft touch plastics or 1 GB onboard storage wont make the car go fast or drive well.

Creta 1.6 will be priced on par with the Xuv and the S Cross 1.6 in the duster territory I suppose.

Getting nightmares about settling for the 1.3 DDIS 200. Any one has driven it yet? Will it be as tractable as in a Ciaz or even the Swift/Dzire ? Seems like a TD is required ASAP. But I suspect Maruti would not provide 1.3 for the test car. It is goin to be the 1.6. I think only one bhpian has commented about 1.3 displayed in Bangalore. I have asked the SA to give me a TD of the 200 when available so that the decision can be made in time.

See what I found in Ali Express. This has spruced up the look of the alloys. Good thinking.

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Do I want a pony, a hawk or an ostrich?
What about the 'hippogriff'? It looks 'hmm..yuck...no.. ok' They are very loyal creatures.

Always wanted a horse or a hawk. But I can afford only a pony. Ponies run quite well but have no dynamics of the birds, nor the ride of the horse. My wife loves ponies. Everyone loves ponies. Do some birds have long legs? Yes. So I ll buy the ostrich with those long legs, people will take it for a horse, right? Yes. They would laud it for the long legs and the compact size.

What is the last thing? Its not a bird, has rear legs of a pony, head of a bird - they say its a hawk, wings of the hawk (though it would take some time for the wings to spread - there is a lag). And the front legs are tauter than in a pigeon - Are they short ostrich legs?. This is strange. Anyways I can take it.

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For the max 13.5 OTR, all I can probably get would be the 1.4 SX. But soft touch plastics or 1 GB onboard storage wont make the car go fast or drive well.

What is the last thing? Its not a bird, has rear legs of a pony, head of a bird - they say its a hawk, wings of the hawk (though it would take some time for the wings to spread - there is a lag). And the front legs are tauter than in a pigeon - Are they short ostrich legs?. This is strange. Anyways I can take it.

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You sir, have got great sense of humor. Such a creative analogy! Whatever you do for a living, quit doing it, and go start making ads. Then you could afford a horse. Haha.

On a serious note, the 1.6 can't be a VFM proposition. To compensate for higher costs incurred, Maruti is cutting on features vis-a-vis the 1.3. I mean other than the top variant Alpha, the rest two, the Delta and the Zeta are lesser equipped in 1.6 than the 1.3. Eg. The Auto AC is there in the 1.6 only in the Alpha variant. So if you could only afford a Delta or a Zeta in 1.6, you are spending more than the respective 1.3 variant and you are actually getting lesser too! I for one, really need ACC to be there if I am spending 13 Lakh Rupees. So, either go for the Alpha if its 1.6' monstrous torque that excites you, or for a much less money, get a 1.3 Zeta. The difference wrt 1.6 Alpha would be >2 lakh OTR, just my guess. Just go through the variant wise feature list and see which variant do you really need.

On the engine's side, I am sure it would be the 1.3L, the very same national engine that will take bigger market share. One reason would be much better positioning/pricing, and the other being more variants with an even lower price tag.

I am not telling you to buy the 1.3 because it would sell more. I am telling you to buy it because it might give you better or similar lower end drivability that really counts in city traffic conditions, again just a wild guess.

If you lack any highway punch, you may go for a remap later, and the performance of a remapped 1.3L MJD with 115bhp and 250Nm with lesser kerb weight could just beat the 1.6L Scross and Cretas, as remapped Linea MJD with same poor gear rarios is said to beat the Linea Tjet with much better gear ratios. I just got myself a Fiesta. With almost 0 lag, the city drivability is good. It takes you to 100kmph with no fuss. Good enough, but still, having heard about what a remap could do to your car, I will go for it. Suggest the same to you.

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You sir, have got great sense of humor. Such a creative analogy! Whatever you do for a living, quit doing it, and go start making ads. Then you could afford a horse. Haha.
I treat sick people, ethically, for a living. So I wont afford a horse in the near future.

Your inputs are well taken. Always wanted to remap my 1.3 MJD. Unfortunately that gem of an engine was on a old generation Dzire VDI, which is scary even at 70-80kmph and without ABS and airbags you are a dead man at speeds above 80kmph. So decided to upgrade. That was when the 1.6 S cross stepped in. But the dynamics package in the scross is what attracted me the most. I wont mind the 1.3 if its VFM. Let the pricing come.
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S-cross looks awesome in this review.


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With the power that the diesel motor has and increased ground clearance, Maruti should position this appropriately. It could be India's sport utility hatch (SUH)
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