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Old 2nd May 2014, 17:57   #1
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Default The Maruti S-Cross. (Details released: Page 38)

Moderator's note: Team BHP's S-Cross review has gone live. Read it here - Maruti S-Cross : Official Review.


At a time when all the media is abuzz with rumors of SX4 cross getting Fiat's 1.6 Mutijet engine, Maruti is indeed planning a surprise. The engine they are testing under the hoods of the soon to be launched SX4 Cross is not the 1.6 Multijet from Fiat but PSA Peugeot Citroen's DV6 1.6 Litre CRDI Diesel engine, mated to a Six Speed Manual transmission. This is one of the Diesel engines jointly developed by Ford and PSA Peugeot Citroen and is also used by Ford.

In other markets this engine comes with two different power outputs, 90hp FGT and 110hp VGT. I expect it to be 110hp VGT version. The same engine also powers the Mini Cooper Diesel.

The plastic cover on the top has Maruti Suzuki logo on it. Just like some of the Ford cars, the large Turbocharger is mounted on the front side. The plumbing has large prominent plastic covers. The Intercooler looks strange.

There is no confirmed information on whether this engine is likely to be used for YL1 sedan as well.


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Default re: The Maruti S-Cross. (Details released: Page 38)

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The engine they are testing under the hoods of the soon to be launched SX4 Cross is not the 1.6 Multijet from Fiat but PSA Peugeot Citroen's DV6 1.6 Litre CRDI Diesel engine.
Super surprise! That means Maruti Suzuki is slowly moving away from the FIAT multijets! They are developing their own Diesel engines, and now, a new partner too!
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Default re: The Maruti S-Cross. (Details released: Page 38)

Interesting news. Does this mean that Fiat has absolutely no plans at all to locally produce the MJD 1.6? Also, does Suzuki use this Peugeot 1.6 oil burner anywhere else in the world?
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Also, does Suzuki use this Peugeot 1.6 oil burner anywhere else in the world?
Older version of this engine 90ps output was used for last generation SX4 hatch in Europe.

Vitara and Grand Vitara have used 2.0 Diesel engine from PSA Group in past.
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Hope there will be no issues with the transmission, awd system etc considering Suzuki uses the 1.6 multijet for the S-Cross elsewhere. Anyone have any first hand experience with this motor and what its strengths weaknesses are?

I think I would also like to know what's stopping them from bringing the multijet here.

Interesting yet totally confusing situation here for a noob like me
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At a time when all the media is abuzz with rumors of SX4 cross getting Fiat's 1.6 Mutijet engine, Maruti is indeed planning a surprise. The engine they are testing under the hoods of the soon to be launched SX4 Cross is not the 1.6 Multijet from Fiat but PSA Peugeot Citroen's DV6 1.6 Litre CRDI Diesel engine. This is one of the Diesel engines jointly developed by Ford and PSA Peugeot Citroen and is also used by Ford.
That means this engine would a close relative of the current 1.5 TDCi mills powering Fiesta and the Ecosport.

If so then why is Suzuki developing a 1.2 liter diesel on their own as discussed in the thread below. Why can't they do a 1.6 too?
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...e-control.html (SCOOP Pics! Swift with Suzuki Diesel Engine, Keyless entry / go & cruise control)
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Looking at the DV6 engine derivatives in Wikipedia, it also lists the 1.6DDiS as one from the same family and these are being used in the SX4. So we get the 90ps spec?
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Looking at the DV6 engine derivatives in Wikipedia, it also lists the 1.6DDiS as one from the same family and these are being used in the SX4. So we get the 90ps spec?
Refer post#4, old gen had the older version of the engine, this engine got some changes recently.
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The engine they are testing under the hoods of the soon to be launched SX4 Cross is not the 1.6 Multijet from Fiat but PSA Peugeot Citroen's DV6 1.6 Litre CRDI Diesel engine. This is one of the Diesel engines jointly developed by Ford and PSA Peugeot Citroen and is also used by Ford.

In other markets this engine comes with two different power outputs, 90hp FGT and 110hp VGT.
Surprising, indeed!

Not sure if Maruti would go the 110 HP VGT route, unless they want to position the SX4 Cross as a premium product, and history hasn't been too kind to Maruti Suzuki's premium products till date.

I have a hunch they will play their usual value-for-money card and stick to the 90 HP FGT. If it's output is anywhere near 200-240 Nm, everyone should be happy, manufacturer and customer alike. The casual buyer in the market will be content with two things - the Suzuki badge and the pseudo-SUV stance. As long as he gets a solid alternative to the Duster/Terrano or even the tough-to-procure EcoSport, he will be happy.

A review of the European version of the 2014 SX4 Cross by Jalopnik - http://jalopnik.com/2014-suzuki-sx4-...iew-1518122581

On a side note, I hope they badge it as just the S-Cross to appeal to the mass market a bit more.
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Not sure if Maruti would go the 110 HP VGT route, unless they want to position the SX4 Cross as a premium product, and history hasn't been too kind to Maruti Suzuki's premium products till date.
They already have a tried tested 1.3 Multijet with VGT that makes 90hp, the only reason they would be going through the pain of sourcing a new engine is more power.

I am not sure about the technical changes to the engine that's being tested, if they see volumes with this engine there is no reason why they would not like to downsize it to 1.5 to avail tax benefits.

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They already have a tried tested 1.3 Multijet with VGT that makes 90hp, the only reason they would be going through the pain of sourcing a new engine is more power.

I am not sure about the technical changes to the engine that's being tested, if they see volumes with this engine there is no reason why they would not like to downsize it to 1.5 to avail tax benefits.
Then they will definitely try to position the S-Cross above the Ciaz, which would mean top variant might be in the range of the XUV 500 W8. Cross-pricing (pun intended) might spell doom for both products. Not to mention, a much bigger engine, more space and infinitely better street presence would keep XUV on top.

And that 10-15L bracket is tricky. It is a Maruti in the end, and that will play in the customer's mind. Best bet for the MSIL guys is to take on the Duster/Terrano. If they aim above that, it will be disastrous.

I am now really keen to see how they price the S-Cross viz-a-viz with the Ciaz, specially with that (possible) 1.5L downsize in the cards as well.

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Default re: The Maruti S-Cross. (Details released: Page 38)

We may expect this same (Peugeot's DV6 1.6 HDi Diesel engine) with Ertiga.
As Honda will launch the Diesel mobilio with almost same power range (Honda Mobilio 1.5l 16V i-DTEC Diesel).

I am really surprised that Maruti-Fiat long association did not work for 1.6 DDIS engine.

Which one is more Refined/Reliable between the two?

1.6 DDIS or Peugeot's DV6 1.6 HDi?
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Older version of this engine 90ps output was used for last generation SX4 hatch in Europe.
As far as i know, The SX4 was designed by Fiat and Suzuki. It used Fiat's diesel engines. That is the reason why Suzuki entered into relationship with Fiat in India too. That's the sole reason why they bargained for 1.6 Multijet in India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_SX4
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Default re: The Maruti S-Cross. (Details released: Page 38)

Could rumours of ChryslerFiat eyeing VW's stake in Suzuki (pending arbitration) have something to do with Suzuki ditching the mjd for alternative(s)? If you recall the stated rationale for the equity tie-up with VW always had at its centre fuel efficient diesel technology.

Do not be surprised if Fiat and Suzuki end up in bed together in a year, globally and not just in India, depending on the usual corporate JV-merger-buyin/out politics! Like Renault-Nissan.
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Default re: The Maruti S-Cross. (Details released: Page 38)

That means one thing is very clear. Maruti needs a 1.5/1.6L Diesel for C-sgement but they are not able to source it in India from Fiat due to some complications. If they are really looking outside Fiat, surely I think they are seeing a market which already is being run away by others. Hence the urgency of the need?
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