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Old 22nd September 2015, 16:46   #961
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Someone please tell me that Mahindra is testing a 4X4. This vehicle is built for 4X4, please plonk the engine from mighty Thar and give the vehicle what it needs.

The moment they put in any engine with displacement greater than 1.5L Diesel, the price jumps by a few lakhs, due to the additional 12% excise duty. So, my belief is that even if they introduce a 4X4, they would retain the 1.5L Diesel, but may be in a different state of tune.
While there are some hopes and rumours that a petrol engine may be on the way, there is no such scoops about the 4X4 yet.
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The moment they put in any engine with displacement greater than 1.5L Diesel, the price jumps by a few lakhs, due to the additional 12% excise duty. So, my belief is that even if they introduce a 4X4, they would retain the 1.5L Diesel, but may be in a different state of tune.
While there are some hopes and rumours that a petrol engine may be on the way, there is no such scoops about the 4X4 yet.
The petrol engine on a Sub 4M vehicle cant be more than 1.2L, No?
IMHO, Mahindra should avoid stepping into petrol segment with a 1.2L TUV
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Finally saw the TUV300 in person, kudos to Mahindra, I was simply blown away by the space and quality of dashboard and plastics. I would rate it as one of their best. The plastics are hard but still they give a premium feel. There are still a few quirks here and there but definitely not something that you should write off without giving it a consideration. In the rear three people could comfortably sit and drivers seat had ample space as compared to my Fiesta.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to start the engine and observe the dreaded vibrations. The dealer mentioned that they have 160 bookings and delivery will start from 29th.

If AMT is good I am sure there would be a lot of takers for this model.
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The petrol engine on a Sub 4M vehicle cant be more than 1.2L, No?
IMHO, Mahindra should avoid stepping into petrol segment with a 1.2L TUV
Hopefully they don't come up with a 1.2L petrol engine. Datsun Go+ is the only other sub 4m 7-seater, with 1.2L petrol.
I believe they would take the Ecosport route, by launching the larger petrol engine, say a 1.5L, though at the cost of paying additional excise duty. Or, it is also possible that, it could use a 1L turbocharged engine, probably developed with Ssangyong, which would give them excise duty advantages.
It has been rumoured for a while that M&M along with Ssangyong is jointly developing a new range of petrol engines for its vehicles.
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Out of curiosity, please clarify what specific SUV capabilities both Ecosport and Duster do not possess and which TUV3OO has, to be termed as boulvardiers and hatchbacks on steroids. Not sure if you were referring only to looks, as it is subjective anyway.
The comparison is objective and is not between local and global car manufacturers, as you have highlighted.
aamateen46, let me try to clarify what I said. To my mind a major characteristic of SUVs is their ability to handle bad terrain plus the all important criteria of ruggedness, durability and reliability. Both these requirements need, firstly AWD/4WD (or at the very least RWD) and secondly, the fact that the TUV has a body-on-frame(ladder-frame in this case) structure gives it a substantial advantage in the ruggedness/durability stakes.
Certainly a monocoque structure (such as the Ecosport & Duster) is better for torsional rigidity and handling suppleness, but nowhere as massively durable as body-on-frame structures (the TUV kerb wt is 1590 kgs or thereabouts, while the Eco/Duster's is in the region of 1300 kgs or less).
Doubtless the TUV loses out on FE and drag strip performance, but an SUV is not designed to be a boy racer's steed.
Also please remember that TUV 300 has the longest W.B. at 268 cms and also the shortest overhangs (fore and aft) of the three. And all off-roaders (I am only an also-ran) understand well the importance of short overhangs.

And by the way, I did not coin the term 'hatch-back on steroids' - but it sums up pretty well what most SUV devotees feel.
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What is the advantage of a ladder on frame chassis over monocoque for a two wheel drive vehicle?

Being wider and taller does not help in becoming a better SUV.
Hi sourabhzen, my reply was to aamateen46, since he was asking what SUV capabilities that TUV possess as against than Duster and Ecosport, hence I had mentioned that it was ladder on frame which is the main characteristic of an SUV. Also the question was not which is a better SUV.

I do not know the advantages of the ladder on frame chassis over monocoque chassis . mallumowgli has explained in his post.
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Old 22nd September 2015, 21:36   #967
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Default A good product save for vibrating gearbox

Last Sunday I took test drive of TUV 300 from Mahindra dealership located in safdarjung Enclave, New Delhi.

Dealership Experience:
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The staff were too courteous and eager to show TUV 300. All details including pricing, variants was explained by sales executive in great detail.

Vehicle experience:
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I was pleasantly surprised by space offered by TUV 300. It is pretty spacious and quality of material used is pretty good except for small bits like cover used for 12v socket.
The engine is very tractable in city but fly in ointment was vibrating gearshift and clutch which made driving TUV 300 exhaustive.Also small imperfections filtered through cabin and made even short commute tiring.

Overall its a competitive product with pricing undercutting Ecosport

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I have checked TUV 300 recently at Kothaguda show room in Hyderabad. Before I went there, even I did not like the shape which I have seen in many website before the launch. I had my preconceived notions like its an ugly shape vehicle, boxy type...etc etc. But once I saw the vehicle, I conveyed myself immediately that it's a huge vehicle for the price what we are getting and you have to remind yourself that its under 4 meter length. And I really liked the space and interiors, though there are some rough edges and low plastic quality on the door pads, but overall you get a nice feeling when you step-in. One thing for sure whether you love it or hate it you will look at it for one more time. I did not get my chance for TD, because of huge waiting period to get your hands ON the wheel. But I am going for a test drive for sure in this week and will try to update you my driving experience. I am keeping my fingers crossed that it would not disappoint me.
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Default Re: Next-generation Mahindra Bolero? NAMED: Mahindra TUV300! EDIT: Now launched at Rs. 6.90 lakhs

Thanks to S.Gokul for sharing this observation via email:

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Greetings.

I am Gokul from Coimbatore. This is regarding the app released by Mahindra on android for the TUV 300. If you look closely on the instrument cluster that is displayed with the symbols, a few symbols that are present are of particular interest to offroad enthusiasts.

Things that could be found include VSC, 4wd Low, Diff Lock, Hill start Assist and Hill Descent Control. Also if you look at the official pic released by Mahindra of the instrument panel and zoom it, you could see the VSC indicator.

Maybe Mahindra has already tested the 4wd version (Export/Local Market) and the instrument cluster has been incorporated for the same.

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Default Re: Next-generation Mahindra Bolero? NAMED: Mahindra TUV300! EDIT: Now launched at Rs. 6.90 lakhs

We visited KTC Mahindra, Cochin to check the TUV 300 and see if they had an automatic for test drive. Good hospitality by the showroom folks ensured a very pleasant experience. We were driven to the stockyard to check the other TUVs and they had a T4+ and a T4 along with T8s. The base T4 comes with black bumpers. There was a silver T4+ which came with a black grill but body coloured bumpers.


I asked about the AMT since I wasnt sure of how it worked. Here is what they explained
- In essence there are 3 'zones'. If you want to leave it in automatic mode, shift it to the left. It doesnt have a D mode for regular usage and a S mode for spirited driving. There is just one mode.
- In the central 'zone', you can push it forward to upshift and pull the lever back to downshift.
- If you want to move it to neutral, you push it to the right.
- If you want to reverse, you push it to the right and pull it down (like a manual)


Few points we spoke about
- 46 bookings of the TUV so far
- More than half were for the AMT
- They were pitching how much easier it is for women to drive the AMT in a city like Cochin as compared to a manual which is a great point
- First round of deliveries starting soon
- Air condition was very effective


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White TUV on display

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Honeycomb grill accentuated by light colours

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Fog lights add to the looks

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Chrome ringed dials on the T8

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Lots of cubby holes and the oddly placed power window switches

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Very effective airconditioning

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T8 version missing out on switches on the right side

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T8 interiors

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Blank space above the centre console, version 2 will probably come with a clock

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We visited KTC Mahindra,
Silver TUV with black grill is much better looking than others IMO. Thanks for the pictures.

I registered on line for the test drive on the day of launch. Today, I got SMS from the dealer saying " We hope to have delivered you the best experience".
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I registered on line for the test drive on the day of launch. Today, I got SMS from the dealer saying " We hope to have delivered you the best experience".
This was the case with me also. I believe they have enough prospective customers already visiting their showroom. I checked with a dealer in Bangalore (over phone) and he was very straight with his answer that in near future they don't have any plan to bring the vehicle for test drive at home. In no way was he rude, very courteous in inviting to the showroom for a test drive.
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A few days back, I visited India Garage, Chennai just for a dekko along with my wife. When I inspected the engine bay, I was pleasantly surprised to find some sensors attached to the battery terminals. I could see 'battery sensor' printed on them. These battery sensors are not there in my XUV 500. But then, that battery did not have built-in battery indicator unlike my XUV 500's. We sat on the jump-seats and found them okay for a short drive. I was offered test-drive, but I declined.
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As I've mentioned elsewhere, its almost passe to look down one's nose at our local efforts, while bending over backwards and simpering at the candy-floss item-number offerings of overseas mfrs, which they dump on our sublimely uncritical car buyers and (opinion-makers ?)
If you've read my posts elsewhere (and on an entirely different timeline) on the forum you probably will not refer to me with that comment.

I stand by what I felt - this is a mediocre effort that is not path-breaking in any way and a step backwards in many. There is no reason to applaud an effort simply because it is local - I think our local players are good enough to not require such a patronising attitude, and should take negative feedback in their stride.
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Saw this on twitter today.

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