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Old 30th September 2015, 18:20   #1021
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Mahindra TUV 3oo Vs Ford EcoSport - Comparison Review!

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Mahindra TUV 3oo Vs Ford EcoSport - Comparison Review!
That was, if I should say it, just about decent in the first half, and at times hilarious in the second half. Bunny Punia (he was editor in the DreamCarz magazine for quite a while) sounded pretty good overall, but repeated the phrase "at this price point" for the TUV a bit too often.

But the woman in the video wasn't anywhere near being convincing, and didn't make a lot of sense. She was, I suppose, only interested in how much more 'premium' the Ecosport is than the TUV, and thus kept calling the Ecosport "premium" again and again, and never properly compared the two in any department. Did commit her share of bloopers as well.

If I am not wrong, she said something on the lines of "The Ecosport is very classy and premium to drive..." (Classy and premium to drive? Huh.. Interesting)
Also, at another instance, she was quoted saying this- "..The whole level of refinement of the engine, the whole cabin space, the layout of features, the dash, all are much much more premium in the Ecosport..." (Did she mean 'the features and layout of the dash'? And yes, her own colleague had called the TUV interior 'top notch' earlier, and she herself criticised the Ecosport's cabin space later.)
And, the best one, at the end, she said "The Ecosport looks and feels like a sedan"!! (Ford must be slightly angry here.)
I think she was also seen in the Wheelocity show before.

And ultimately, after all the talk, what they had to conclude was that " The two cars are really different, and are aimed at different buyers." (Oh, are they really? And why compare them in the first place then?)
A far better video review of the TUV by Rohit Paradkar of Overdrive was posted a few days ago (link in my earlier post on this thread).

In fact, that's what I really hate about such 'reviews'. They conduct big comparison tests, and then ultimately annnounce that either the cars are really different, or that both are very good and very closely matched, and you won't go wrong with either of them. Doesn't that totally beat the very purpose of a comparison? They, being the media, are entitled to an opinion of their own. And they must express that opinion distinctly. Not use vague adjectives and unclear opinions to confuse the viewer further.

Look at TopGear, or Fifth Gear who almost always state which car they think is the best one after a comparo. In fact, most foreign journalists do that. They also call cars 'bad' directly or bash anything they find lacking, even in supercars. And they stand by their opinion, even while everyone may not agree to it.

It is usually the Indian media, who probably conduct these comparisons with some 'help' from the manufacturers, and hence desperately avoid criticising cars, especially popular cars. And it's not just the not-so-popular shows. Even someone like Renuka Kirpalani for the Bloomberg Autocar Show sometimes gives such confusing or biased sounding conclusions and opinions about some cars. It seems as if these guys are held back by someone from giving a fair opinion, or criticising a particular car.

Also, in case of luxury cars, these guys get so wowed away, that they end up worshipping them in the articles and usually don't write a thing bad about them. Instead, it is only accounts of how they were wowed or flattered by the car. I'm sure most sportscars and luxury cars (apart from the 911 maybe) have their own shortcomings. But we only hear how high quality the interiors are, how good the engine notes are and how the writer enjoyed driving it to its limits.

And if such reviews exist, they are actually no different from those 'Advertorial Features' in magazines. At least they (not so) clearly state they are advertorials, unlike these journos.

I think it's high time Team-BHP started official comparison tests as well. Mods and distinguished BHPians, please take note and think on the request. I'm sure most BHPians would want this as well.

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Old 1st October 2015, 08:58   #1023
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I test drove both TUV3oo and Ecosport. In terms of Driveability I would give it to Mahindra due to the engine tuning...The low end torque kicks in at very low rpms and ambling in city traffic is a breeze with minimal gear shifts. At higher rpms both engines feel stressed and running out of breath. But where Ecosport scores are the interiors, fit and finish and NVH levels. On the flip side TUV is much more spacious and has the additional jump seats to accommodate 2 more than Ecosport although it should be limited to short drives.
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And if such reviews exist, they are actually no different from those 'Advertorial Features' in magazines. At least they (not so) clearly state they are advertorials, unlike these journos.

I think it's high time Team-BHP started official comparison tests as well. Mods and distinguished BHPians, please take note and think on the request. I'm sure most BHPians would want this as well.
Some journalists do not know a thing about cars. But still they go ahead and blabber something, hoping that viewers may not notice everything they say and will be just interested in what they show visually - in this case, the cars and the locations.
Such reviews actually do not add any value to the customer, who is expecting some decent opinion. However, for the uninitiated, such reviews create a sub-conscious effect. For e.g - after watching such review, if they visit the TUV300 in showroom, they do feel, there is a general opinion that Ecosport is generally considered more "premium" compared to TUV300, irrespective of their own preferences.

Here is why I feel the team bhp reviews are balanced. They try to bring out each and every detail of a car they review, the good and the bad.
I totally second your opinion about having official comparison reviews of team bhp. It actually gives a good deal of idea to the buyer.
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I think it's high time Team-BHP started official comparison tests as well. Mods and distinguished BHPians, please take note and think on the request. I'm sure most BHPians would want this as well.
I personally think comparisons and 5 car shootouts to find the best are not very effective. Today, most of the popular cars in most segments are very close to each other in most aspects and the choice of one over the other depends on an individual perception based on requirements. That why at the end of most of these shootouts you see- 'There is no clear winner' if you prefer A,B,C go with Car X else go with Car Y.

Also, I have noticed that in several comparison tests Car A seems to be 'slightly' better in all aspects but then Car B ends up the winner as a better overall 'package'.

All this confuses the buyer even more and I feel impacts judgement.

So in my humble opinion, comparisons are good, but it should not be with the intent of calling out a winner. That should be left to the buyer to decide with a clear mind.

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It is usually the Indian media, who probably conduct these comparisons with some 'help' from the manufacturers, and hence desperately avoid criticising cars, especially popular cars. And it's not just the not-so-popular shows. Even someone like Renuka Kirpalani for the Bloomberg Autocar Show sometimes gives such confusing or biased sounding conclusions and opinions about some cars. It seems as if these guys are held back by someone from giving a fair opinion, or criticising a particular car.
This I have felt is definitely true. Lot of cases where the criticism seems restrained. Also you will see multiple comparisons pop up. For Example today it is TUV vs Ecosport. Tomorrow it maybe TUV vs Duster and then a 'Soft SUV Shootout' will come.

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Both me and my wife have liked the vehicle very much and booked T8 manual on the day of launch, but still have not given a full confirmation to the dealer due to following two reasons:

- Like many others, I am also waiting for the unbiased Team-BHP review, moderators please bring it soon!

- If the review is on the positive side then the next difficult job is choosing colour between red, orange and green

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After reading members views on the TUV 300, this seems to be one car which is like the fruit Durian. You either 'love it' or 'loathe it'.
I 'loathe' the Durian and its smell, but have fallen in love with this compact SUV.
Test drove the car twice in the past week. Found it to be slightly under powered than the Vento TDI I drive now, but I am going to get used to it, as I am going to sell the Vento and have already booked a black T8 manual TUV. . (call me a fool ? no problems. Sometimes the heart rules over the mind)
Expecting it to be delivered on the 10th of this month. The wait is killing...
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After reading members views on the TUV 300, have already booked a black T8 manual TUV. . (call me a fool ? no problems. Sometimes the heart rules over the mind)
Expecting it to be delivered on the 10th of this month. The wait is killing...

Captain Rex: So you would become the first person in our forum to officially take the delivery of the Black beast. I like few others liked the looks and the drive but waiting for our TeamBhp review before taking a plunge.

We would be eagerly waiting for the first shots and the ownership report from you.

Congrats once again !!!
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Found it to be slightly under powered than the Vento TDI I drive now, but I am going to get used to it, as I am going to sell the Vento and have already booked a black T8 manual TUV. . .
Slightly underpowered? Are you serious? I took a longish test drive of the TUV 300 . The Mahindra showroom here in Trichy is on the highway and try as one might the speedo really doesn't move beyond 130 kmph.

I understand the torque is sufficient for the job at hand, but I guess the power delivery is just not in the same league. You must be having your own reasons but not this!
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We would be eagerly waiting for the first shots and the ownership report from you.

Congrats once again !!!
Thanx Arindam. I, too, have been waiting for the official review from TBHP, but on 29th last month got a call from the showroom that there were 3 TUV's yet to be booked in the consignment ordered by Zulaikha and I just could not resist it.

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Slightly underpowered? Are you serious? I took a longish test drive of the TUV 300 . The Mahindra showroom here in Trichy is on the highway and try as one might the speedo really doesn't move beyond 130 kmph. You must be having your own reasons but not this!
Ok. May be 'slightly' might be an 'over' statement for being 'under' powered , but where do you want to go at 130 kmph ? The TUV pulls good enough till around 100 kmph.
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Slightly underpowered? Are you serious? I took a longish test drive of the TUV 300 . The Mahindra showroom here in Trichy is on the highway and try as one might the speedo really doesn't move beyond 130 kmph.
Would you really drive this car above 130 KPH, if it could? I wouldn't think of exceeding 120 on our highways even in the best of SUVs. And this one is budget-end SUV. If I own one, I would be happy to keep it around 90-100 mark. Our roads throw up unimaginable surprises. People just materialise out of thin air in front of you.
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Would you really drive this car above 130 KPH, if it could? I wouldn't think of exceeding 120 on our highways even in the best of SUVs. And this one is budget-end SUV. If I own one, I would be happy to keep it around 90-100 mark. Our roads throw up unimaginable surprises. People just materialise out of thin air in front of you.
I completely agree, its insane to drive any vehicle over 100kmph in India. Even if you manage to do it there are very few roads in India where you can sustain over 100kmph for a fair distance. . The best highway in India (Yamuna Expressway) also doesn't encourage over 100 kmph and they are strict in enforcing this rule.

From a practical view the TUV300 has a lot of brownie points going in its favor. I am sure if one is practical they would definitely consider TUV300.I am also waiting for the detailed teambhp review especially the AMT version, before plunging into it.
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Ok. May be 'slightly' might be an 'over' statement for being 'under' powered , but where do you want to go at 130 kmph ? The TUV pulls good enough till around 100 kmph.
+1 to that! I was pretty impressed with the TUV 300 myself. The interiors were pleasant and a commanding driving position made me want to buy it, but the missus wants only a Creta or the XUV. Cheers!
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I saw this car in person in showroom. The car had very good proportions and slightly higher than XUV500.
The SA informed me that they don't have any display car for TUV but what is displayed was already up for delivery. He said AMT variant can be requested for test drive if required.
The interiors were made roomy for 5+2 seater but had thin seats. The all round visibility Is really good and the seating position can give a commanding view of the road.
The gear knob and clutch were as easy to operate as alto. SA told that his personal opinion is the interiors are made much better than quanto, scorpio etc. He told he got about 90 bookings in 20 days.
Jump seats are just for short journeys. I don't think we can put kids in these seats and be peaceful. Al least lap belts should have been there.
If you are looking for a high raised car with multiple features TUV may not suit you. But if you need a SUV with reasonable features less than 10 lakhs this should be your pick.
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This I have felt is definitely true. Lot of cases where the criticism seems restrained.
Exactly. You will find most reviews bending over backwards to justify the 85 bhp engine on a vehicle that weighs in at over 1600 kg, mostly by talking about 'torque band', 'tuning', 'in-gear-acceleration' and several other subjective parameters. The sort of terminology that is used when the vehicle really isn't up to the mark. It basically screams "please continue inviting me to your media events".

I found this vehicle pretty underpowered by modern vehicle standards - you can put it in the same league as the Bolero or the Sumo Gold or a Tavera or maybe the Enjoy, but you simply cannot compare it to the vehicles that Mahindra WANTS to compete against (i.e., the sub-4-meter stilted hatches/crossovers/wannabes). What you will find is the media and most portals playing to this script of trying to match the vehicle up to the ones Mahindra wants to compete with. That way the media will help the manufacturer manage the perception of the vehicle.

Ecosport v/s TUV300 when they are not even remotely comparable is a classic example.
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